A historical perspective on just how statistically bad Bryce Young as a passer this season.

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53 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Don't forget Josh Rosen. Immediately pivoted from that mistake.

Also, Dart is not what I would call an NFL success. Lots of potential and skill level but TBD.

He is significantly behind Young in most categories. He's quite atrocious.

I'm speaking to when a guy matches NFL speed and has the intangible feel at this level.  Dart has it.  You can have those traits and still not be a world beater.

He has a lot of stuff developmentally to work on, but it's clear he's able to play at this level.  He's easily a minimum good backup long term.  Already looks better than Bo Nix has for example.

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At this point Bryce has been a sub-replacement level QB for three years as the team has improved dramatically around him. His performance hasn't really changed at all. There's been no development or growth. At some point you just have to move on.

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4 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I'm speaking to when a guy matches NFL speed and has the intangible feel at this level.  Dart has it.  You can have those traits and still not be a world beater.

He has a lot of stuff developmentally to work on, but it's clear he's able to play at this level.  He's easily a minimum good backup long term.  Already looks better than Bo Nix has for example.

Nix has had a ton of success but he is a system QB. He wouldn't be that successful everywhere. 

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3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Nix has had a ton of success but he is a system QB. He wouldn't be that successful everywhere. 

For sure.  He's been pretty terrible under pressure but Peyton helps him out a ton.  

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11 minutes ago, TN05 said:

At this point Bryce has been a sub-replacement level QB for three years as the team has improved dramatically around him. His performance hasn't really changed at all. There's been no development or growth. At some point you just have to move on.

Pretty much.

His mechanics have never changed. Shallow, slow shotgun drops, stays parallel to the LOS, with the abrupt hop-turn flick that deflates any decent velocity.  QB-101 stuff that he's never done because he plays all "loose".

The biggest thing I've realized this year was something that came form seeing people praise him when he finally does show some anticipation (like that one XL TD) -- He really can't layer a throw.    

He can understand where a guy will be and smartly place a ball with anticipation, but it's in the design/him knowing the spot.    

But if he needs to make a live read and lead a guy, drop something in with velocity for a guy in stride...that, he can't do.  He absolutely, just can't, and he's never figured it out.  He can't reset in the pocket and layer a throw in.  

I really can't think of a single deeper throw he's made since we drafted him where he led a guy in stride beyond 20 yards where he gave the WR the field to make a TD.  It's always these mid-air adjustments they're making that completely loses their momentum since he can't get that deep placement right.

We were spoiled with the Jake/Smitty days and Cam's legs letting guys break open.  But it just doesn't happen with Bryce.