So... The deep balls

[mav1234]

1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

This is true. And there are def times where that rb out of the backfield is the primary read even, way more with Chuba.

that was not the case at all yesterday. Bryce was going PA one read, someone leaked out of the backfield, got to the flat, stood there, waved, looked at the mlb who was busy playing Pokémon go, then caught a pass.

Fewer than half of Bryce's passes last game were within 5 yards of the LoS. May only have been 1/3rd even. He's guilty of what you say in many games but he was going down field much more last game. If a receiver is settling into a spot in zone coverage down field that isn't a check down...

[electro's horse]

3 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Yes and often it's the right read.  

You’re incorrect.

wr route progressions and check downs are considered different things.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I don't think deep in the fan sense matters much, honestly. I still think he needs to be able to consistently place passes well up to 20 yards and that's what is more critical. He did that yesterday - he was basically 7/11 on passes 15-25 yards and that's good enough that it also opens up passes all over the rest of the field. In week 10 he was 1/2 in that range; week 9 2/3 with an int; week 7 he was 0/4. 

Anyway we need more of that... He needs to be stressing defenses past the sticks for us to open up the rest of the offense.

I believe for his career his lowest efficiency area targeted is 10-20 yards. Not by a ton but I do believe it is his worst area of the field. 

Not great for a game managery style QB. You are correct, this is the area he must improve dramatically. 

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

Fewer than half of Bryce's passes last game were within 5 yards of the LoS. 

Do you think a check down has to be behind the LOS?

 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Fewer than half of Bryce's passes last game were within 5 yards of the LoS. May only have been 1/3rd even. He's guilty of what you say in many games but he was going down field much more last game. If a receiver is settling into a spot in zone coverage down field that isn't a check down...

On his career(not including yesterday), Bryce is about 55-60% of his total attempts being less than 10 yards from the LOS. I can get the exact percentage, if you want.

[mav1234]

1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

Do you think a check down has to be behind the LOS?

 

Where in my post did you see behind the LoS?  I said within 5 yards of the LoS. Sure the flat goes a bit further but if his check down is 8-10 yards down field and everyone else is covered further, that's a good gain.

He threw the ball 30+ times 5+ yards past the los. He targeted RBs 10 total times. This isn't the same as his past performance.

 

[electro's horse]

11 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

 

I don't really see the point in harping about check downs yesterday though.

Because words and terminology are important and you’re making an argument with a fundamentally flawed understanding of what’s happening.

its fine you don’t need to understand the history of the west coast offense to enjoy games. But you’re going to get called out when you’re Wrong On The Internet.

Bryce is a very limited qb who had one of the best takes of his career against a very poorly coached falcons team. It’s not the best game of his career because that’s still his 2023 game against the packers.

You can just be happy that Canales offense sets him up for success 2/3 of the time against Raheem morris. You don’t have to argue for things that aren’t true. 

[mav1234]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

On his career(not including yesterday), Bryce is about 55-60% of his total attempts being less than 10 yards from the LOS. I can get the exact percentage, if you want.

Nah it's all good, I've run those numbers, too. It's why I think yesterday was just better. He needs to continue to be able to hit intermediate throws with high success. I doubt he can. If he does, meh, we'll see if that can happen.

[electro's horse]

3 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Where in my post did you see behind the LoS?  I said within 5 yards of the LoS. Sure the flat goes a bit further but if his check down is 8-10 yards down field and everyone else is covered further, that's a good gain.

 

So it’s not a check down if it gets enough yards. Got it. 

[mav1234]

Just now, electro's horse said:

So it’s not a check down if it gets enough yards. Got it. 

No, it's a good read if it gets enough yards and other options were worse. This is all because I said a check down isn't always a bad read.  I'm not saying it isn't a check down, but if half his throws are basically past 10 yards down field and a good chunk of those less than that were to WRs (and often our #1/#2) then I'm not worried about check downs that game. Doesn't mean I'm sold on the guy.

Given Bryce's limitations whether a WR receiving a ball late in 'progression' 5-10 yards down field is a true check down or not is difficult for us to evaluate because we don't know the playcall. 

[electro's horse]

Okay Mav you’re all over the place.

You clearly WANT to know what you’re talking about and that’s important. You can start here and get back to me

this is a great read and it’s made even better by what a cool dude (and massive asshole) Mike leach was

https://a.co/d/5LQJsbV

 

[MechaZain]

The choice to kneel instead of trying to get into FG range at the end of the half was very telling.

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

The choice to kneel instead of trying to get into FG range at the end of the half was very telling.

They really fuged up by not trying to score at the end of the half

which team are we talking about 

[FatChad]

16 hours ago, electro's horse said:

I do t know what that looked like on tv but it was an absolute duck. I was 20 row back in that end zone.

if the roof had been closed the air conditioning would have knocked it down. 

hahah bs that was a good throw.