First 4 NFL starts - Tyler Shough

[cranky]

2 hours ago, TN05 said:

Through 6 games this guy is 2-4, averaging 202 yards a game with 7 touchdowns and 7 turnovers. His AY/A (5.91) is worse than Bryce (6.31), as are his yards per completion (10.1 vs 10.2).

He's worse than Bryce in basically every category except for yards (he's averaging 202, Bryce is averaging 195 this year) and completion percentage (65% vs 63%). Oh, and he's losing two-thirds of his games (2-4).

You can't think Bryce is a bad QB and that Shough is good.

Your missing the real stat. Shough is 6.5" -  Bryce is 5'10". That's all you need to know.

[TN05]

4 hours ago, CRA said:

he is 2-3 as a starter

in his starts he is 67% at 216 per game.  That's as a freaking rookie on a bad team vs a 3rd year guy with a pretty solid group around him.  

you got to separate out starts vs the pure per game average because a game with like 2 pass attempts and zero yards completely fugs up the per game stats and doesn't give you a good look

He played most of another game and lost it. I didn’t count the game with 0 yards (because that would be ridiculous). If I did, his stats would be lower than Bryce.

[CRA]

11 hours ago, TN05 said:

He played most of another game and lost it. I didn’t count the game with 0 yards (because that would be ridiculous). If I did, his stats would be lower than Bryce.

well, you will have to excuse me with not crediting wins or losses to players that factually aren't credited to them.   That's not what we do. 

Rattler had 21 pass attempts that game....which is more pass attempts than Bryce Young had in the GB or Rams game.  That wasn't a Shough game.  The 2nd round rookie came in for Saints final drive of the 3rd quarter down multiple scores.    

so yeah, if you want to be objective about Shough this year, you evaluate him as a starter.    Gameplans on both sides of the ball for him.  

[TN05]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

well, you will have to excuse me with not crediting wins or losses to players that factually aren't credited to them.   That's not what we do. 

Rattler had 21 pass attempts that game....which is more pass attempts than Bryce Young had in the GB or Rams game.  That wasn't a Shough game.  The 2nd round rookie came in for Saints final drive of the 3rd quarter down multiple scores.    

so yeah, if you want to be objective about Shough this year, you evaluate him as a starter.    Gameplans on both sides of the ball for him.  

Imagine gassing up a 2-4 QB for a terrible division rival with stats worse than our QB in every category except raw yards per game

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[CRA]

Just now, TN05 said:

Imagine gassing up a 2-4 QB for a terrible division rival with stats worse than our QB in every category except raw yards per game

imagine thinking that talking about our next opponent is "gassing up" someone.... and then lying about basic info because it's not flattering to the league's worst starting QB since he arrived. 

as a starter he is 2-3 (just a fact)

as a starter vs Bryce this year

pass yards per game - Shough

rush yards per game - Shough

comp % - Shough 

QB rating - Shough

yards/per attempt - Shough

and Shough is only good for a 2nd year rookie thrust into the gig.   He is getting graded on a curve of what he is.