Go after Shedeur this offseason.

[Mr. Scot]

22 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Scot, I’ve watched his full games.. Since college.  I’m aware of the perceived weaknesses and flaws.  Yet, we have/had a front office full of paid football professionals who “full game” scouted Bryce Young and thought he was worthy of the #1 overall pick.  We also have a faction of our fanbase that, even when presented with a better option at QB, choose to keep believing in Bryce Young despite the fact that even with his occasional Atlanta games, or how he played against the Rams, he is still the statistically worst starting QB in the NFL since he’s been at the helm.

So, it can’t be based off play or scouting.  So what is it based off of?

For others? Don't know. I can't speak for them. 

As far as our experts picking Bryce, come on, dude. You know how that went down just as well as I do. You should also know that a good number of the people who were part of that decision (GM, Director of College Scouting, others) are no longer employed here. And the one guy who pretty much everyone believes disagreed with the decision was given his waking papers even before they were. 

I could make an argument that level of success sometimes masks deficiencies in play (i.e. Alabama quarterbacks) but even that argument is kind of pointless because we all know how Bryce got here. 

[CPF4LIFE]

14 minutes ago, csx said:

His attitude issues are well documented. I was a big fan of the situation when he and dad went to Colorado. It was the way the treated people that turned me off from them. 

Maybe he's been humbled. Maybe he will be good. He's not coming here so I dont know why it's such an ongoing topic.

https://x.com/i/status/1998041990642978934

I cant stress how easily narratives can be created for anybody to sway public opinion and professional careers just based how you rub off on people. If someone doesnt like you purposely they can make it harder for you depending on their status especially in sports and entertainment that easy.  The day we get passed this as a society the better off we will be. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Possibles(although not definites):

Jets

Browns

Colts(injury related only)

Vikings

Cardinals probably also... 

[LinvilleGorge]

22 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Scot, I’ve watched his full games.. Since college.  I’m aware of the perceived weaknesses and flaws.  Yet, we have/had a front office full of paid football professionals who “full game” scouted Bryce Young and thought he was worthy of the #1 overall pick.  We also have a faction of our fanbase that, even when presented with a better option at QB, choose to keep believing in Bryce Young despite the fact that even with his occasional Atlanta games, or how he played against the Rams, he is still the statistically worst starting QB in the NFL since he’s been at the helm.

So, it can’t be based off play or scouting.  So what is it based off of?

It's based primarily off of cope. He plays just well enough jest often enough for them to cling to hope because swallowing that bitter pill of admitting that trade up was a huge blunder is gonna be a tough one. But not nearly as tough as the one we'd have to eventually choke down if we extended him to a franchise QB contract. 

From the fan perspective I think it's a mix of not wanting to be wrong and the fact that Bryce seems like a legitimately decent guy that you wanna root for. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's based primarily off of cope. He plays just well enough jest often enough for them to cling to hope because swallowing that bitter pill of admitting that trade up was a huge blunder is gonna be a tough one. But not nearly as tough as the one we'd have to eventually choke down if we extended him to a franchise QB contract. 

From the fan perspective I think it's a mix of not wanting to be wrong and the fact that Bryce seems like a legitimately decent guy that you wanna root for. 

Me?

Where would you get the idea I'm "clinging to hope" or disagreeing that the trade up to take Bryce was a huge mistake?

It was a massive mistake. It set us back years as a franchise. If it were up to me, I'd prefer to put it in the  rear view mirror and move on...

...but I don't realistically see that happening. 

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Me?

Where would you get the idea I'm "clinging to hope" or disagreeing that the trade up to take Bryce was a huge mistake?

It was a massive mistake. It set us back years as a franchise. If it were up to me, I'd prefer to put it in the  rear view mirror and move on...

...but I don't realistically see that happening. 

I didn't specifically mean you. I was just talking about the Panthers' brass and pro-Bryce fans in general.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I didn't specifically mean you. I was just talking about the Panthers' brass and pro-Bryce fans in general.

Gotcha. I asked because PD was responding to me in the post you quoted. 

I'm definitely not "pro Bryce" but I've accepted that he's probably the starter here for at least next year... possibly the year after also. 

[kungfoodude]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Cardinals probably also... 

I mean both Murray and Brissett are better than Bryce.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I mean both Murray and Brissett are better than Bryce.

Murray isn't, and he's likely out of a job at season's end.

Brissett? Haven't seen enough but I know he's not getting starter offers. Pretty good backup though.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

I'm definitely not "pro Bryce" but I've accepted that he's probably the starter here for at least next year... possibly the year after also. 

I'm not all that religious, but prayers up...

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Murray isn't, and he's likely out of a job at season's end.

Brissett? Haven't seen enough but I know he's not getting starter offers. Pretty good backup though.

Murray is not only better than Bryce but fairly significantly so.

Both of those QB's have had significantly better careers to date and are still better QB's than Bryce.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Murray isn't, and he's likely out of a job at season's end.

Brissett? Haven't seen enough but I know he's not getting starter offers. Pretty good backup though.

Pick the statistical category and I bet Murray is statistically better over his career than Bryce. Completion percentage, yards, TDs, TD:INT ratio, YPA, YPG, rushing yards and TDs, winning percentage, whatever. I bet it's Murray in a clean sweep. He's just frustrating because it's obvious he could be significantly better if he maximized his talent. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Murray is not only better than Bryce but fairly significantly so.

Both of those QB's have had significantly better careers to date and are still better QB's than Bryce.

 

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Pick the statistical category and I bet Murray is statistically better over his career than Bryce.

Statistically perhaps...

Better quarterback? Disagree.

For whatever you think of the Panthers decision making, there's at least an argument to be made for Bryce continuing to start.

Murray is gonna be looking for work, and I seriously doubt any other team is going to offer him a starting job. Also haven't really seen anyone suggesting Arizona should keep him. 

Edited 55 minutes ago by Mr. Scot

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

Statistically perhaps...

Better quarterback? Disagree.

For whatever you think of the Panthers decision making, there's at least an argument to be made for Bryce continuing to start.

Murray is gonna be looking for work, and I seriously doubt any other team is going to offer him a starting job. 

I mean...I would love to hear any sort of logic of how Murray could possibly be construed as a worse QB than Bryce.

How are you basing it? If not statistically, winning percentage? Well, I have bad news for your argument.

So are we going, what, eye test? Well, I have even worse news than the last news.

So after that what remains? 

Edited 53 minutes ago by kungfoodude