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Go after Shedeur this offseason.

Proudiddy

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Mr. Scot Grand Master

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6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep. The Golden Calf of Bristol, Kaepernick, late career Cam, Shedeur's draft slide... they all come down to the reality that teams don't want a distraction out of a guy they see as a likely a backup QB. And instead of the media acknowledging their major role in that situation, they just double down and make it worse and confirm teams' suspicions that yeah... not worth it.

As an aside, I think there's a pretty good argument to be made that "late career Cam" was a better on field version of him (minus the injury aspect).

Perhaps the most accurate way to put it is that Norv Turner coached Cam was a better quarterback than Mike Shula coached Cam. 

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54 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Brees(like Allen before) was already having a fantastic year by year three.

Geno Smith is valid but also remember that by year two he lost his starting job and it was 8 years until he regained it.

Alex Smith is a difficult comparison only because he started so infrequently over his first 4 seasons due to injury. It actually really wasn't until Kansas City(his 9th NFL season) that he climbed out of the "Bryce Young" tier of QB's. He actually had almost all of his NFL success post-SF with Andy Reid. He was bad for a significant length of time AND with SF for all of it. This was an exercise in patience that I think basically no one wants to see with Bryce Young and the Panthers.

Daniel Jones is a similar-ish track. Wasn't really good until about year 4 and then sort of declined for injury and play related reasons after that. Of course, one could also argue that he really only has had two "good" seasons in his 7 year NFL career including this season. Again, probably not the track we should hope for with Bryce Young.

 

So, I will give you the latter two. Those are good comps. But, also the length of time to turn that around would be pretty bad for us. Both of those guys also were examples of getting a big contract extension that the original team that signed it sorely regretted. 

 

Drew Brees’ third year wasn’t fantastic. In fact, his fifth year is statistically on par with Bryce 2025 season.

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Man. These incessant and insane Drew Brees comparisons are enough to turn an average calm person into Colonel Stinkmeaner from The Boondocks.

Drew Brees actual 5th season of playing football he won a Super Bowl BTW.

Again. It legitimately disgusts me that we have to basically compliment Drew Brees in order to bring rationality to this foolishness.

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Man. These incessant and insane Drew Brees comparisons are enough to turn an average calm person into Colonel Stinkmeaner from The Boondocks.

Drew Brees actual 5th season of playing football he won a Super Bowl BTW.

Again. It legitimately disgusts me that we have to basically compliment Drew Brees in order to bring rationality to this foolishness.

Would you rather compliment Sean Payton? 🤔

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25 minutes ago, Car123 said:

We’re talking this year.

And you just brought up what Bryce haters do, while ignoring his apologists love to throw three entire years out like it doesn’t count.😂

When two and a half entire seasons you’ve thoroughly proven you are the 32nd of 32 starting QBs, a couple good games are the exception, not the rule.  Even for this year, he’s had a couple good games and a whole lot of stinkers, which follows the rule he has set over his entire tenure.

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58 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't put Bryce any higher than that, but I don't put Murray up there either. 

And we've touched on the reason: an unfortunate tendency to choke.

You can have all the best stats in any game you play in, but if you choke at a crucial point and lose the game, guess how much those stats count for?

And I will at least admit this when it comes to Bryce: his game performances of late definitely don't reflect choking. Just the opposite, in fact.

Yes but his career winning percentages show that he almost exclusively chokes, especially when compared to Murray. Now, there is some nuance to all that, for certain but Bryce doesn't win often has been his entire career. 

It's not like Murray has been on a franchise that is known for stability either, for that matter.

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18 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Drew Brees’ third year wasn’t fantastic. In fact, his fifth year is statistically on par with Bryce 2025 season.

If Brees third year wasn't fantastic, I don't really know what your measurement for fantastic is but it's very likely Bryce will never achieve that in his career.

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2 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

And you just brought up what Bryce haters do, while ignoring his apologists love to throw three entire years out like it doesn’t count.😂

When two and a half entire seasons you’ve thoroughly proven you are the 32nd of 32 starting QBs, a couple good games are the exception, not the rule.  Even for this year, he’s had a couple good games and a whole lot of stinkers, which follows the rule he has set over his entire tenure.

This is where the old "past results are no guarantee of future performance" disclaimer comes in. 

If Bryce does indeed manage to become a consistent good quarterback, nobody's gonna give a sh-t about his first two seasons.

If he doesn't, nobody's gonna care about his stretch of good performances this season.

I know what I'm expecting, but truth is both those options are equally possible.

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This is where the old "past results are no guarantee of future performance" disclaimer comes in. 

If Bryce does indeed manage to become a consistent good quarterback, nobody's gonna give a sh-t about his first two seasons.

If he doesn't, nobody's gonna care about his stretch of good performances this season.

I know what I'm expecting, but truth is both those options are equally possible.

So let's forget the past 2 seasons. Which of the last 4 games are the true Bryce. The Rams and Falcons or the 9ers and Saints? 

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6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It's not like Murray has been on a franchise that is known for stability either, for that matter.

Has Bryce? 🤔

Again though, prior career results don't mean much when we're talking about right now. 

This season, Bryce can legitimately be called a clutch performer, a leader, a smooth operator, etc.

Don't know that anyone would apply those descriptions to Murray at the moment...or even before for that matter.

I'm not counting on Bryce to continue this run, but I can't really blame anyone else much if they do. 

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Has Bryce? 🤔

Again though, prior career results don't mean much when we're talking about right now. 

This season, Bryce can legitimately be called a clutch performer, a leader, a smooth operator, etc.

Don't know that anyone would apply those descriptions to Murray at the moment...or even before for that matter. 

You must be watching different football than I am because when Im watching Bryce at QB, literally none of those things come to my mind. 

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    • kungfoodude
      Go after Shedeur this offseason.

      By kungfoodude · Posted

      That's why I pointed it out because Bryce hasn't either, so it's not like that could be used an excuse for the poor winning percentage. And yes, right now, Kyler is the better QB. I would show it to you in the same "statistical" way that I did for Car123 but you have basically admitted that Kyler will obviously be statistically better(which is very true) and somehow that isn't relevant. Regardless, whether eye or statistical, you have made literally no reasonable counter argument other than "there is another guy in this forum that said he saw Arizona games and he said Kyler wasn't as good" and that "he got benched."  That's really been the bulk of your argument so far.  As for a "clutch performer", leader and whatever in the world a "smooth operator" is.....I guess that's the PFF version of your rankings. 
    • TN05
      First 4 NFL starts - Tyler Shough

      By TN05 · Posted

      The fact you're having to rely on "rushing yards per game" (he is averaging 18, Bryce is averaging 10) here is really telling lmao. I already gave the clear advanced differences. Shough is playing worse than Bryce. You are literally gassing up a worse, 2-4 QB for a rival team and I find that incredibly funny.
    • kungfoodude
      Go after Shedeur this offseason.

      By kungfoodude · Posted

      Okay so I took a look at this across a WIDE variety of overall metrics and statistical groups that should give an idea about overall play and some potential aggravating factors associated with their play.  Overall, I would say this indicates by the categories that I have detailed out that Tua and Geno are clearly the guys that are having worse seasons than Bryce. I would add that I am still of the opinion that they are better overall QB's given both capability and past performances. I will definitely concede there is not a solid statistical argument for them having a better year than Bryce, to date.  Here is the data I gathered and I have shaded the cells according to "better than" or "worse than" Bryce. In a couple of the categories, this is an inverse because I am indicating these were less aggravating situations than Bryce has had and therefore less excusable reasoning for sucking.  Let me know if there are any questions on the data/categories/etc.
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