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I am so tired of watching rigged games


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3 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

We beat ourselves too, don’t forget that. But a few that was very obvious:

-80% of the money was on the Panthers and the spread opened and never moved past Panthers -2.5

-Alex Moore is a horrible referee and he clearly swung momentum multiple times. 
 

-He actually smirked when he signaled the FG was good after the penalty.

This man gets it. The game outcome isn’t fully scripted but the games are heavily nudged towards certain outcomes and it’s blatantly obvious. 

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The refs were bad in this game overall. I don’t think the most logical conclusion is  that the game was rigged, but it did seem like the calls the refs did make advantaged the Saints more than the Panthers.  The Shough story is compelling from the NFL’s perspective. That’s for sure! But isn’t the Bryce-Canales story equally compelling.  Maybe it’s in the NFL’s best interest that the remaining Bucs AND Panthers games will matter…higher viewership.
 

But look…it’s not the refs fault that D Brown, Latham, and Icky lost their brains for a split second on those personal foul plays.  They had to call those. 
 

It’s not the refs fault that the Panthers coaches had a bum game plan. The players lacked discipline and intensity.  Maybe that’s why they committed so many penalties. 

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Just now, Pantherxtreme said:

Yes it was bogus. 

Bryce had a similar last minute slide where the Saints defender still laid a hit on him and it didnt get flagged. 

He slide with his feet but didn't get the call.  The flag on Brown was BS too.  Split second he goes down and gets that penalty.  Shough did the same thing to get them in FG position.

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4 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Yes it was bogus. 

Bryce had a similar last minute slide where the Saints defender still laid a hit on him and it didnt get flagged. 

We all know the white QBs always get those calls in that situation. Black QB it’s dependent on the game situation and the ref.

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2 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

This game was 100% fuging slanted for the Saints. It’s not a coincidence this stupid poo has been going on with them for the last 15 years. They get every bullshit call and outcome possible to go their way against us. 

Except when the NFL blatantly kept them out of the Super Bowl. This game was clearly going the Saints way with the ability to set up a meaningful late season Panthers / Bucs game and making a killing for Vegas on the Saints moneyline hitting 

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Just now, hepcat said:

Except when the NFL blatantly kept them out of the Super Bowl. This game was clearly going the Saints way with the ability to set up a meaningful late season Panthers / Bucs game and making a killing for Vegas on the Saints moneyline hitting 

The NO call PI is just cosmic karma after a decade of playing storymode for Drew Brees  and Katrina fairytale bullshit. Let’s not forget bountygate. They are a team of cheapshot dirtbags. 

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4 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

This game was 100% fuging slanted for the Saints. It’s not a coincidence this stupid poo has been going on with them for the last 15 years. They get every bullshit call and outcome possible to go their way against us. 

When I saw how they did everything to try snd gift wrap the win for the Bucs against the Falcons, I was worried about the refs and this game.

But the Panthers deserved to lose if you letting a qb throw to open guys at the sticks on 3rd and 14 you not ready for prime time. 

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the 2 illegal hands to the face, the bs holding call on moton that had no impact on the play, the ball spots, they defijitely kept the saints in that game in the first half.  no excuse for our sorry ass defense and JC again didnt show up in the spotlight.  NO pass rush is far beyond ours.  we couldnt do anythjng in the second half.  if we had a pass rush that game would have been 27-6

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22 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Yes it was bogus. 

Bryce had a similar last minute slide where the Saints defender still laid a hit on him and it didnt get flagged. 

Bryce’s slide was similar much like I look similar to Julius Peppers (I’m an out of shape white man). 

Bryce didn’t slide.  Trying to curl into a fetal position at the end of a run isn’t a QB slide. 

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Just now, CRA said:

Bryce’s slide was similar much like I look similar to Julius Peppers (I’m an out of shape white man). 

Bryce didn’t slide.  Trying to curl into a fetal position at the end of a run isn’t a QB slide. 

Your memory is off.

There was a slide and there was the run you're describing two separate incidents 

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3 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Your memory is off.

There was a slide and there was the run you're describing two separate incidents 

Only recall one play.  Gameday thread wanted a flag when Bryce didn’t slide.  So I don’t know the other play 

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It is no coincidence Vinovich is frequently assigned to Super Bowls, where the league wants a fluid, exciting product rather than a penalty-fest. • Alex Moore & Scott Novak: The "Over" Darlings. • The Stat: In recent data, Alex Moore’s crew hit the "Over" (total points) in nearly 77% of their games. Scott Novak followed closely at nearly 70%. • The Betting Edge: These crews tend to call defensive pass interference (DPI) more strictly than offensive holding, which directly gifts yardage to offenses and extends drives. II. The "Under" Enforcers (For Keeping Games Close) Conversely, if the league needs to slow down a runaway offense or keep a game close to the spread, they can assign "flag-happy" crews that disrupt game flow. • Shawn Hochuli: The Drive Killer. • The Stat: Hochuli’s crew is consistently among the league leaders in total penalties and specifically offensive holding. 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The "Home Cookers" (Protecting the Home Team) Certain referees show a statistical deviation that heavily favors the home team, often attributed to being influenced by crowd noise—or perhaps a tendency to support the "house" advantage. • Brad Allen: The Home Field Guardian. • The Stat: Since 2016, home teams have won straight up in roughly 58-60% of games officiated by Allen, covering the spread at a rate significantly higher than the league average. • The "Management" Angle: In a playoff game where the home team is a major market favorite, Allen is a "safe" assignment. His tendency to let the home crowd influence 50/50 calls (like pass interference) reinforces the home field advantage. • Carl Cheffers: The "Chiefs" Anomaly. • The Stat: Cheffers has been a statistical outlier regarding the Kansas City Chiefs. 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