Why does Bryce get the blame?

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Young's playing style definitely fits Canales.

On style only, it could also fit Reich but Reich had a well-known preference for taller quarterbacks. Bryce's stature would have necessitated some retooling that I'm not certain happened.

His issues here aren't style related so much as they are his physical limitations. 

What exactly are you claiming is Bryce's style then? 

and what are you claiming is the offensive style of the Canales tree? 

They are not a match.   I mean, his physical limitations influence what Bryce's style is

[Mr. Scot]

On 12/16/2025 at 3:33 PM, strato said:

I smell Tillis’ influence here, in the Wharton signing.  KC. Probably vouched for his locker room vibe and motor. 

Tilis isn't really a personnel guy based on his resumé. He's more of an analyst/ organizational type.

(that's why I wasn't in favor of him as a GM candidate)

That's not to say he doesn't have personnel input, mind you. But that's not truly where his expertise lies.

What he does bring to the organization is experience, history and a solid record in areas that aren't necessarily Morgan's strong suit. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

On 12/16/2025 at 4:30 PM, ForJimmy said:

Looks like we have an out in Wharton's contract after next year.  Cap Hit is $19 million dead cap is $4.8.

What if the next DC prefers a 4-3 scheme though?

[kungfoodude]

36 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Does Newton own his win-loss record, though?

Tying quarterbacks to their team's record is a complicated debate. Most football analysts would say it isn't fair, but on the flipside it's a very commonly used metric.

Ultimately, I'm comfortable looking at whether we win or lose with a certain QB, but I acknowledge the folks who don't think it's a fair way to judge a career. 

I think statistics, results and the eye test have been a very conclusive and whole picture of what a bad QB looks like.

[Mr. Scot]

On 12/16/2025 at 4:50 PM, frankw said:

If that is ultimately the course of action the decision makers go with they will be doing so at their own peril. I'll just sit back and wait for it to end the same way it has the last 3 years.

Probably more like the last two than the last three (three seasons ago was Reich).

The team is showing legitimate improvement under Canales, But the goal isn't to be better than you used to be. The goal is to be great. 

I'm not convinced we reach that goal with Bryce. 

[ForJimmy]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

What if the next DC prefers a 4-3 scheme though?

I don’t think scheme is an issue. We use nickel more than 3-4 and have featured 4 DL plenty of times. Gone are the days of a primary base defense IMO. 

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, CRA said:

What exactly are you claiming is Bryce's style then? 

and what are you claiming is the offensive style of the Canales tree? 

They are not a match.   I mean, his physical limitations influence what Bryce's style is

Bryce: Point guard, WCO distributor

Canales: Walsh style WCO influences

You have to learn to differentiate between playing style and ability. Joe Montana and Chad Pennington were similar style-wise But there's a huge disparity between their levels of ability and success. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Bryce: Point guard, WCO distributor

Canales: Walsh style WCO influences

You have to learn to differentiate between playing style and ability. Joe Montana and Chad Pennington were similar style-wise But there's a huge disparity between their levels of ability and success. 

Yeah, people have this big idea of Canales being some deep shot, big play offensive playcaller but I don't think he has had to dramatically adapt his offense for Bryce. Bryce just stinks and it's also a pretty middling offensive scheme.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think statistics, results and the eye test have been a very conclusive and whole picture of what a bad QB looks like.

I'd leave out the stats but agree outside of that. 

I reference Newton here because there was a long running debate here about tying the team's win-loss record to him. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, people have this big idea of Canales being some deep shot, big play offensive playcaller but I don't think he has had to dramatically adapt his offense for Bryce. Bryce just stinks and it's also a pretty middling offensive scheme.

Pretty much...

Typical WCOs do take occasional deep shots but they're not as reliant on them as a traditional Coryell style would be.

Reid and NcNabb back in Philly certainly took shots downfield (and NcNabb was capable) but it definitely wasn't Coryell style. 

[CRA]

47 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Bryce: Point guard, WCO distributor

Canales: Walsh style WCO influences

You have to learn to differentiate between playing style and ability. Joe Montana and Chad Pennington were similar style-wise But there's a huge disparity between their levels of ability and success. 

Every offense Canales has grown up in or ran before being employed here has required a QB with an aggressive downfield nature to them to function properly.   There are no exceptions to that....people try to build one here.  That is not Bryce's style. 

and his bland and boring O here requires the same thing here and doesn't have it at the QB spot 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I don’t think scheme is an issue. We use nickel more than 3-4 and have featured 4 DL plenty of times. Gone are the days of a primary base defense IMO. 

I've primarily looked at the offensive side of things, likely because that's where most of the discussion is centered.

Given there's a pretty solid chance we move on from Evero next season, I probably should pay more attention to the other side of the ball. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Every offense Canales has grown up in or ran before being employed here has required a QB with an aggressive downfield nature to them to function properly.   There are no exceptions to that....people try to built one here.  That is not Bryce's style. 

and his bland and boring O here requires the same thing here and doesn't have it at the QB spot 

You're not demonstrating a very good grasp of the offensive principles here.

Coryell: combine power run game with deep downfield passing to keep the box from being stacked underneath 

WCO: pitch and catch / extended handoffs; throw short to skill players and let them get yards after catch; backs are mostly fast, shifty types but it's good to have a power runner for short yardage and goal line situations; occasional downfield chucks to back the defense off the line but they're not bread and butter 

[ForJimmy]

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

Every offense Canales has grown up in or ran before being employed here has required a QB with an aggressive downfield nature to them to function properly.   There are no exceptions to that....people try to built one here.  That is not Bryce's style. 

and his bland and boring O here requires the same thing here and doesn't have it at the QB spot 

DC was only full an OC one year and it was with the Bucs on Baker's "bounce back year."  That year Baker posted his lowest average yards per attempt outside the the year he played here/LAR at 7.1.  This is with Evans and Godwin as his WRs too.  When DC left the very next year he went from 7.1 to 7.9.  DC does test the deep ball periodically but so far his offenses rely heavily on quick pass first reads.  He does try to run to setup the pass, but he is also too quick to abandon the run.  He is honestly still very green as a play caller much less one that is also a HC.