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Mr. Scot

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2 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Only guy on that list with an argument over TO is Megatron.

Fitz is criminally underrated because he wasn't a freak of an athlete. He's #2 on the all-time receiving yards list by a comfortably margin and #6 for TDs. He's another guy that I wouldn't put at #2 but the argument can be made. 

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5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Fitz is criminally underrated because he wasn't a freak of an athlete. He's #2 on the all-time receiving yards list by a comfortably margin and #6 for TDs. He's another guy that I wouldn't put at #2 but the argument can be made. 

Fitz is sort of like Jerry Rice in that there isn't anything physically that necessarily makes him so elite, they were both just masterful at their craft. Fitz was a MFer in a 50/50 ball scenario, too. One of the best of all-time at that, IMO.

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9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Fitz is sort of like Jerry Rice in that there isn't anything physically that necessarily makes him so elite, they were both just masterful at their craft. Fitz was a MFer in a 50/50 ball scenario, too. One of the best of all-time at that, IMO.

I've made the T-Mac to Fitz comp numerous times. Everyone wanted to compare him to Mike Evans I just never saw that. Mike Evans dominates physically. T-Mac is more like Fitz in that he's a tall receiver who is good enough athletically but really wins more on polished route running and natural ball skills than by physically dominating. Now I'm not saying that T-Mac is gonna be Fitz, I'm just making the stylistic comp.

I will just throw it out there though that Fitz led the 24th ranked Cardinals' passing offense with 58 catches for 780 yards and 8 TDs as a rookie while T-Mac is leading the 25th ranked Panthers'passing offense with 59 catches for 853 yards and 6 TDs with 3 games to play so there is that...

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2 hours ago, PantherBoy95 said:

That Saints game was so disappointing on another level. To have the division lead in your hands after years and years of being abysmal, and to lose it to a 3-10 team (who got one win on us)...I can't even put that into words.

I'll root for us to make it to the playoffs. But games like that make it hard for me to believe we deserve it..or more importantly will show up when it's time to dance.

This team, especially this offense, is so deflating for me as a fan.

Still rooting like you said, but my energy is going towards things less frustrating.

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23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wouldn't put him #2 either I'm just acknowledging that a legitimate argument could be made for it.

Doing these kinds of things with a player like Owens is kind of a double-edged sword. 

Amazing ability, production, etc but also huge amounts of hype, self-promotion, media coverage and things of that sort.

I remember one NFL guy talking about coaches (I think) who were objectively phenomenal coaches but didn't really get a lot of attention or job offers because they weren't self-promoters. 

In a world with Internet, social media and 24 hour sports coverage, It's not that difficult for even great players to be overhyped. 

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6 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

This team, especially this offense, is so deflating for me as a fan.

Still rooting like you said, but my energy is going towards things less frustrating.

Looking back at those two games, it felt like Staley had Canales' number and Moore had Evero's.

Evero is likely gone next year but If that's in any way true, it could be trouble for us in the future. 

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Doing these kinds of things with a player like Owens is kind of a double-edged sword. 

Amazing ability, production, etc but also huge amounts of hype, self-promotion, media coverage and things of that sort.

I remember one NFL guy talking about coaches (I think) who were objectively phenomenal coaches but didn't really get a lot of attention or job offers because they weren't self-promoters. 

In a world with Internet, social media and 24 hour sports coverage, It's not that difficult for even great players to be overhyped. 

That post is a perfect example of this 

39 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I think people's memories of TO the person dramatically shadow what a truly insane player he was. He was a DK Metcalf level of fitness freak with basically near Jerry Rice level competitive spirit.

He was an absolute terror in a time where DB's could absolutely mug elite WR's.

 

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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That post is a perfect example of this 

Not sure which direction you're going, but yes it's also true that negative memories of a player being a dick can downgrade them too. 

For evaluative purposes, I always try to keep those things separate. 

If you're a coach or GM though, you don't have that option. You have to take the bad with the good. Sometimes it's worth it. Sometimes it isn't. 

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16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I've made the T-Mac to Fitz comp numerous times. Everyone wanted to compare him to Mike Evans I just never saw that. Mike Evans dominates physically. T-Mac is more like Fitz in that he's a tall receiver who is good enough athletically but really wins more on polished route running and natural ball skills than by physically dominating. Now I'm not saying that T-Mac is gonna be Fitz, I'm just making the stylistic comp.

I will just throw it out there though that Fitz led the 24th ranked Cardinals' passing offense with 58 catches for 780 yards and 8 TDs as a rookie while T-Mac is leading the 25th ranked Panthers'passing offense with 59 catches for 853 yards and 6 TDs with 3 games to play so there is that...

I hope he has the level of dedication that Fitz had. That would mean we might have our new best WR in franchise history.

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