How Does This Happen? Another Ref Mistake in our Game

[CRA]

It favored us.  Joe Person reported the Panthers coaches were aware but weren’t going to alert the officials since it favored us.

we kicked to the Rams with the ball placed at the 40.  The ball is supposed to be placed 5 yards back as all kickoffs are done at the 35.  

[CRA]

1 hour ago, coastliner said:

The ESPN article is wrong.  This was not an official mistake.  Fitzgerald's kick was short of the landing zone, and placing the ball on the 40 was the correct call.

It was a mistake.  Fitzgerald kicked off from the wrong spot.  The mistake was where he initially was allowed to kickoff from….not where the Ram started their drive 

[tukafan21]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

It favored us.  Joe Person reported the Panthers coaches were aware but weren’t going to alert the officials since it favored us.

we kicked to the Rams with the ball placed at the 40.  The ball is supposed to be placed 5 yards back as all kickoffs are done at the 35.  

 

2 hours ago, CRA said:

It was a mistake.  Fitzgerald kicked off from the wrong spot.  The mistake was where he initially was allowed to kickoff from….not where the Ram started their drive 

Well don't I look like an idiot now, as I clearly see that in the article now.

Now I'm just hoping they had the article wrong originally and they updated it when they realized the mistake, as I swear it said the ball was placed at the 40 after the kickoff, but now I'm not so sure of course, lol

[DeAngelo Beason]

NFL officials are the most incompetent fools in all of sport.  They are ruining the game more and more with each passing season.  The NFL HAS to implement a real accountability policy.  

1 - Hire them as full time employees.

2 - Implement accountability measures in exchange for full-time employment.

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

NFL officials are the most incompetent fools in all of sport.  They are ruining the game more and more with each passing season.  The NFL HAS to implement a real accountability policy.  

1 - Hire them as full time employees.

2 - Implement accountability measures in exchange for full-time employment.

I actually very much disagree with the premise of this post about them being the most incompetent fools in sports.

The NFL is by far the hardest sport to referee in today's day and age.

There are 22 players on the field, but only 7 refs.  Even if you said there was a 1 v 1 matchup everywhere on the field, that's still 4 more matchups than refs, and they can only be looking at so many things at one time.

Then add in the speed that today's game is played at, and it's only getting faster and faster.  Players are able to do things that players a few decades ago wouldn't have even dreamt as possible.  There are WRs in today's game that are as big as OL from the 70's.

I'm not saying things can't be improved, but I think NFL refs get an unfair knock against them, and a big reason is today's technology advancements too.  Fans get the advantage of seeing replays from a dozen angles and slowed down to a frame by frame speed, and then get upset when the refs didn't call something that you can only see once you slow it down that way and see from multiple angles.

Like the play in the Bills game the other night, that was NOT a catch, the only reason some fans even think it was one, is because of super slow mo replay and to their eyes, it looks like he has the ball for a couple seconds, but they forget that in real time, that's really only about 0.2 seconds that he had possession of the ball, which is just not a catch.

I'd also bet if you had a way of playing a game from back in the day with today's technology, you'd find just as many mistakes being made by the refs, but the tech and number of cameras used back then just weren't able to capture it for people to realize after the fact.

Edited 7 hours ago by tukafan21

[Candler Cat]

Is that you Clete?

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17 hours ago, t96 said:

We kicked it short of the landing zone I’m pretty sure. New kickoff rule

I think I remember that happening on another kickoff (short by a couple of feet), but this was a touchback.

[DeAngelo Beason]

2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I actually very much disagree with the premise of this post about them being the most incompetent fools in sports.

The NFL is by far the hardest sport to referee in today's day and age.

There are 22 players on the field, but only 7 refs.  Even if you said there was a 1 v 1 matchup everywhere on the field, that's still 4 more matchups than refs, and they can only be looking at so many things at one time.

Then add in the speed that today's game is played at, and it's only getting faster and faster.  Players are able to do things that players a few decades ago wouldn't have even dreamt as possible.  There are WRs in today's game that are as big as OL from the 70's.

I'm not saying things can't be improved, but I think NFL refs get an unfair knock against them, and a big reason is today's technology advancements too.  Fans get the advantage of seeing replays from a dozen angles and slowed down to a frame by frame speed, and then get upset when the refs didn't call something that you can only see once you slow it down that way and see from multiple angles.

Like the play in the Bills game the other night, that was NOT a catch, the only reason some fans even think it was one, is because of super slow mo replay and to their eyes, it looks like he has the ball for a couple seconds, but they forget that in real time, that's really only about 0.2 seconds that he had possession of the ball, which is just not a catch.

I'd also bet if you had a way of playing a game from back in the day with today's technology, you'd find just as many mistakes being made by the refs, but the tech and number of cameras used back then just weren't able to capture it for people to realize after the fact.

The refs get the advantage of replay assistance as well.  That argument doesn't hold up.  You're wrong on the Bills call.  And for the record I've absolutely hated the bills ever since they started siphoning off our organization.  That was a ridiculous call and wasn't consistent with the precise, exact same situation that occurred with the Rams and Bears last night.  

[TD alt]

20 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

The refs get the advantage of replay assistance as well.  That argument doesn't hold up.  You're wrong on the Bills call.  And for the record I've absolutely hated the bills ever since they started siphoning off our organization.  That was a ridiculous call and wasn't consistent with the precise, exact same situation that occurred with the Rams and Bears last night.  

The Bills call was the right call. Cooks was not a runner, he was a receiver who has to complete the process of the catch until the play is over. Him catching the ball and his knee being down does not apply. He did not survive the ground, much less the defensive back. That's just the fact of the matter. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

3 minutes ago, TD alt said:

The Bills call was the right call. Cooks was not a runner, he was a receiver who has to complete the process of the catch until the play is over. Him catching the ball and his knee being down does not apply. He did not survive the ground, much less the defensive back. That's just the fact of the matter. 

That would make sense were it not for the fact that it doesn't make sense.  Every single angle and image of the play shows him clearly possessing the ball while down.  He was taken to the ground by the DB and lost control of the ball after he was down. The fact that the exact same scenario played out one night later and was called the opposite way only further cements that the officials just pick and choose how they want to interpret a call at any given time.  Again, I say this as someone who was rooting against the Bills in that game.  

 

[TD alt]

27 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

That would make sense were it not for the fact that it doesn't make sense.  Every single angle and image of the play shows him clearly possessing the ball while down.  He was taken to the ground by the DB and lost control of the ball after he was down. The fact that the exact same scenario played out one night later and was called the opposite way only further cements that the officials just pick and choose how they want to interpret a call at any given time.  Again, I say this as someone who was rooting against the Bills in that game.  

 

What showed him clearly down and possessing the ball without the DB's arms in there? He was still rolling and did not have clear possession, which is what allowed McMillan to snatch it in the first place. It was not the exact same scenario. It was not identical. Adams had full control. He survived the ground and even made a football move to go upfield. Anyone saying the two are identical is not being intellectually honest. 

The NFL referee could've explained the situation, and should have, but they followed the rule. Receivers have to survive the ground, and can't lose control. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

17 minutes ago, TD alt said:

What showed him clearly down and possessing the ball without the DB's arms in there? He was still rolling and did not have clear possession, which is what allowed McMillan to snatch it in the first place. It was not the exact same scenario. It was not identical. Adams had full control. He survived the ground and even made a football move to go upfield. Anyone saying the two are identical is not being intellectually honest. 

The NFL referee could've explained the situation, and should have, but they followed the rule. Receivers have to survive the ground, and can't lose control. 

What showed it?  Uh, the cameras.  The receiver clearly controlling and possessing the ball on camera is what I was using to establish that he clearly controlled and possessed the ball.  It was that part when he had both hands firmly on it and he had it pressed against his body all the way down to the ground, only to lose possession after being down and the DB ripping it away.

[TD alt]

Just now, DeAngelo Beason said:

What showed it?  Uh, the cameras.  The receiver clearly controlling and possessing the ball on camera is what I was using to establish that he clearly controlled and possessed the ball.  It was that part when he had both hands firmly on it and he had it pressed against his body all the way down to the ground, only to lose possession after being down and the DB ripping it away.

He did not have it by himself, lost control through the process of completing the catch, was not down and the play was not over. The play was reviewed by replay assist and confirmed. Just deal with it. There's really nothing to see here. 

[tukafan21]

2 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

The refs get the advantage of replay assistance as well.  That argument doesn't hold up.  You're wrong on the Bills call.  And for the record I've absolutely hated the bills ever since they started siphoning off our organization.  That was a ridiculous call and wasn't consistent with the precise, exact same situation that occurred with the Rams and Bears last night.  

There is so much wrong with this post it's scary.

First, as it's been explained to you, the Bills call was 100% correct, he never actually had control of the ball outside of literally less than a half second of time, you're stuck on super slow mo and still frames as your proof.  

And second, the refs get almost zero replay assistance on the types of calls that make people say they are terrible at their jobs.  Replay assistance is for things like catches, in/out of bounds, fumbles, and ball placement.  Fans really don't care much about those things and if refs are right or wrong, because of the replay assistance (only comes into factor when it's too close to call so the original call stands)

They don't get any assistance on the rest of the penalties that are always what fans get upset about and why people say refs are terrible.  Namely, things like holding and PI, both called and missed, which they get absolutely zero replay assistance for.

It's those things I'm talking about where it's really tough for 7 refs to catch everything all the time.  They can only watch so many things at once, and that's if they even have a line of sight on the penalty, so many times the ref is watching the play but the player's bodies are between the ref and the penalty, particularly PI.