Steve Smith on Ron Rivera

[Jon Snow]

11 minutes ago, therealmjl said:

Steve Smith is a straight up prick of a man.
 

When you have an issue with literally everyone under the sun - the common denominator is you.

 

[mrcompletely11]

Let's see.   Who is the better person and has the best character?    Hmmmm which one could it be.....

[strato]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

That's strange because if that's all there is then this is very old recycled news. Steve already made this claim public years ago and it has been talked about here before. Ron to my knowledge has never publicly responded so I have no idea if it's true or not. But really it doesn't matter. I mean ultimately if Ron did do that I couldn't say I blame him. Steve Smith has a reputation as a very volatile immature and spiteful person on top of a history of violence. He could have used these years since to reflect and progress as a person but it seems he has no interest in that. It's best for all involved to just not engage with him.

I think it was pretty much just that. And I have heard that before too. Smitty was telling how he came to be off the team and there initially was a bunch of Gettleman stuff. Then as he got into it it started coming back to him aa he remembered Ron’s role.

I didn’t watch that Smitty and Cam video but for some reason I clicked on this one telling about his exit. 

I hear what you are saying and considered Ron wanted to avoid a nasty situation. Likely having had plenty of Smitty already. 
But he is the leader of that team and no pushover physically. 
Send for Smitty and his playbook. You don’t do that, points off the stand up guy score. 

It has little really to do with Smitty for me, more Ron. And I became less of a Ron fan as his time here neared its end. So I don’t take the trouble to defend him on this one. 

I wanted to watch because that situation was a large part of me souring on Gettleman. I think I was watching ESPN when they asked him about a Smitty at the combine and I really did not like his attitude and answer. You talk to the player in private not over the air to the world.

Edited 1 hour ago by strato

[Jon Snow]

Are you all assuming Smith is telling the truth? Since when is he a truth person? He's a prick and the truth is not in him. Sorry, not sorry. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Jon Snow

[AggieLean]

I thought Smith wanted to leave, and/or asked to be out. 

[strato]

22 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Are you all assuming Smith is telling the truth? Since when is he a truth person? He's a prick and the truth is not in him. Sorry, not sorry. 

I made the point it was one side of the story. But what he said about Gettleman, the chronology, seemed pretty accurate. 
 

What I remember is Smitty’s contract was prohibitively expensive due to its structure and he would not renegotiate. Sort of forced their hand because it was a very high figure for the era. That could tie in with him wanting out. 
I remember I pointed that out but people didn’t want to hear that at the time. I don’t blame them, Smitty was probably my favorite Panther I ever watched play, again… at the time. He might still be if I went back and watched. 

My thing with it is mostly Gettleman dropping the bomb at the combine. It foreshadowed his Norman melt down, Mr Tact. 

Edited 39 minutes ago by strato

[Jon Snow]

18 minutes ago, strato said:

I made the point it was one side of the story. But what he said about Gettleman, the chronology, seemed pretty accurate. 
 

What I remember is Smitty’s contract was prohibitively expensive due to its structure and he would not renegotiate. Sort of forced their hand because it was a very high figure for the era. That could tie in with him wanting out. 
I remember I pointed that out but people didn’t want to hear that at the time. I don’t blame them, Smitty was probably my favorite Panther I ever watched play, again… at the time. He might still be if I went back and watched. 

My thing with it is mostly Gettleman dropping the bomb at the combine. It foreshadowed his Norman melt down, Mr Tact. 

I loved to watch him play as much as anyone but I would not take his word on anything.  He's a self righteous prick and he knows it.

[strato]

7 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I loved to watch him play as much as anyone but I would not take his word on anything.  He's a self righteous prick and he knows it.

I don’t know how big any lies may be. There is clearly apparent viewpoint bias for sure. But even when people stretch and bend the truth, there is still a truth component somewhere in there. 
I believe him when he says Ron ducked it for instance. (That would not have been a pleasant experience).

In the end you can’t cheat on your wife, and everybody knows it, and claim to be 100% honest.

Edit: would I believe that maybe he said something to Ron that sort of gave him the green light to stay out of it? Could be and he is leaving that out. 

 

Edited 14 minutes ago by strato

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, strato said:

I don’t know how big any lies may be. There is clearly apparent viewpoint bias for sure. But even when people stretch and bend the truth, there is still a truth component somewhere in there. 
I believe him when he says Ron ducked it for instance. 

In the end you can’t cheat on your wife, and everybody knows it, and claim to be 100% honest.

 

 

I don't believe Ron ducked him. I believe Ron had had enough of his crap and said ship his ass. Its well known that he had an issue with Cam and the got into it with him more than once before he was let go. Its also well known the Smith didn't want to talk to anyone but John Casey. No, I don't believe Ron ducked him. I believe Ron said whatever he wanted to say to Smith long before Gettleman sent him packing. 

[strato]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I don't believe Ron ducked him. I believe Ron had had enough of his crap and said ship his ass. Its well known that he had an issue with Cam and the got into it with him more than once before he was let go. Its also well known the Smith didn't want to talk to anyone but John Casey. No, I don't believe Ron ducked him. I believe Ron said whatever he wanted to say to Smith long before Gettleman sent him packing. 

That’s definitely possible. I just hold to traditional job and feel like no matter how distasteful you may find the task, it falls to you as the coach to at least go through the motions. I think he texted him. I hate that.