Draft intel from ESPN’s Jordan Reid

[XClown1986]

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

"How can bryce succeed without a big possession type wr (drafts 2 for him), how is bryce supposed to exceed without a speed guy......."   Its fuging never ending.  Give EE some goddamn help on defense for once

Trevon Moehrig, Turk Wharton, Bobby Brown, Jaelen Phillips, Devin Lloyd, Nic Scourton

Giving him 6 starters in 2 offseasons that cost boat loads of money or a 2nd round pick... Not exactly handing the man scraps.

The point of the draft is to make the team better. You want to make this about Bryce. It isn't. It's about improving the team. And if anyone can look at our offense and go "we're good", they are lying to themselves. You give quarterbacks weapons. We SCREAMED for YEARS to give Cam some help. But now because we are trying to do it for Bryce, you all are saying we are coddling him because of his "deficiencies". It's a double-standard because you don't like the guy, clearly. But even if he does fail, guess what? The next guy has help too. Win-win.

[TD alt]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

we have 2 solid/above average (however you want to phrase that) wr's, which is more than half the league at least.  We dont need to be blowing more first round capital just to placate Bryce and his limitations.

 

We have one absolute stud (probably top 10 wr) in tmac and we have a high floor guy with insane potential if he can stay healthy.  Yeah man we are in better shape than the bulk of the teams in the league.  If you need to add some speed or whatever, sure draft in the mid rounds or wait until tc cuts.  Its monumentally stupid to spend 3 straight firsts on a wr if thats the route they go.  ITs just more and more excuses for Bryce, thats where we are at now. 

 

"How can bryce succeed without a big possession type wr (drafts 2 for him), how is bryce supposed to exceed without a speed guy......."   Its fuging never ending.  Give EE some goddamn help on defense for once

That is so not true. Our receiving corps is wanting, and everybody seems to know it but you. Coker has proven to be good, not great. He's not fast or uber quick. And as you already have heard, the best ability is availability. The problem is that you don't want to use a first round pick on it because of your own rather arbitrary notions.

Edited April 10 by TD alt

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, XClown1986 said:

Trevon Moehrig, Turk Wharton, Bobby Brown, Jaelen Phillips, Devin Lloyd, Nic Scourton

Giving him 6 starters in 2 offseasons that cost boat loads of money or a 2nd round pick... Not exactly handing the man scraps.

The point of the draft is to make the team better. You want to make this about Bryce. It isn't. It's about improving the team. And if anyone can look at our offense and go "we're good", they are lying to themselves. You give quarterbacks weapons. We SCREAMED for YEARS to give Cam some help. But now because we are trying to do it for Bryce, you all are saying we are coddling him because of his "deficiencies". It's a double-standard because you don't like the guy, clearly. But even if he does fail, guess what? The next guy has help too. Win-win.

Cam elevated the players around him. He showed more in his 1st 2 games as a rookie than Bryce has his entire career. At some point, Bryce has to be that guy. Bryce can't have a top 5 oline, 3 top WRs, a Greg Olson TE, top 10 RB and get a 60m AAV salary. 

Bryce seems like a likeable enough guy outside of football. On the field though, he hasn’t put together 2 games of football that show he's anything more than a bottom tier QB. Maybe our receivers are an issue. Or maybe our QBs inability to get them the ball with consistent timing, accuracy and velocity from terrible footwork is part of the problem. One that Bryce refuses to acknowledge or work on. 

[XClown1986]

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Cam elevated the players around him. He showed more in his 1st 2 games as a rookie than Bryce has his entire career. At some point, Bryce has to be that guy. Bryce can't have a top 5 oline, 3 top WRs, a Greg Olson TE, top 10 RB and get a 60m AAV salary. 

Bryce seems like a likeable enough guy outside of football. On the field though, he hasn’t put together 2 games of football that show he's anything more than a bottom tier QB. Maybe our receivers are an issue. Or maybe our QBs inability to get them the ball with consistent timing, accuracy and velocity from terrible footwork is part of the problem. One that Bryce refuses to acknowledge or work on. 

So because Cam elevated players around him, he didn't deserve more help, and because you feel Bryce doesn't elevate players around him, he also doesn't deserve more help. Got it. Sink or swim as a QB in Carolina is a great message to send out to the league and potential future players.

[TD alt]

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

we have 2 solid/above average (however you want to phrase that) wr's, which is more than half the league at least.  We dont need to be blowing more first round capital just to placate Bryce and his limitations.

 

We have one absolute stud (probably top 10 wr) in tmac and we have a high floor guy with insane potential if he can stay healthy.  Yeah man we are in better shape than the bulk of the teams in the league.  If you need to add some speed or whatever, sure draft in the mid rounds or wait until tc cuts.  Its monumentally stupid to spend 3 straight firsts on a wr if thats the route they go.  ITs just more and more excuses for Bryce, thats where we are at now. 

 

"How can bryce succeed without a big possession type wr (drafts 2 for him), how is bryce supposed to exceed without a speed guy......."   Its fuging never ending.  Give EE some goddamn help on defense for once

You keep trying to make this about Bryce Bryce Bryce Bryce, and in the most important respects, it's about the team. Bryce is part of the team. You can say it however many times you want, but we're not in better shape than most teams in the NFL as far as our receivers, but even if I concede that (which I'm not), we certainly aren't in line with the teams that threaten championship every year. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 hours ago, XClown1986 said:

So because Cam elevated players around him, he didn't deserve more help, and because you feel Bryce doesn't elevate players around him, he also doesn't deserve more help. Got it. Sink or swim as a QB in Carolina is a great message to send out to the league and potential future players.

You're missing the point. Great players elevate those around them. Bryce needs all of this elevation just to not be one of the worst QBs in the league. We may actually have legit WRs and pieces to go around Bryce and he's not able to get the job done week in and week out. 

You're so quick to blame all the other offensive pieces but are willing to defend a QB that has never played back to back franchise QB football games in 3 seasons. There's a reason we have had Dalton and now KP as backups. Neither one are capable of challenging a QB that struggled to reach 3k yards passing in his best season. 

This offense might look very different with a mid tier QB. Unfortunately our owner and FO are to scared to even allow that possibility. 

[XClown1986]

22 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

You're missing the point. Great players elevate those around them. Bryce needs all of this elevation just to not be one of the worst QBs in the league. We may actually have legit WRs and pieces to go around Bryce and he's not able to get the job done week in and week out. 

You're so quick to blame all the other offensive pieces but are willing to defend a QB that has never played back to back franchise QB football games in 3 seasons. There's a reason we have had Dalton and now KP as backups. Neither one are capable of challenging a QB that struggled to reach 3k yards passing in his best season. 

This offense might look very different with a mid tier QB. Unfortunately our owner and FO are to scared to even allow that possibility. 

I didn't defend anyone. You're projecting. I want the team to be better. If that means drafting another offensive weapon, then so be it. But to suggest we would be good to great on offense if Bryce were replaced is a stretch. We have holes, issues and question marks all over the offensive roster. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, TD alt said:

You keep trying to make this about Bryce Bryce Bryce Bryce, and in the most important respects, it's about the team. Bryce is part of the team. You can say it however many times you want, but we're not in better shape than most teams in the NFL as far as our receivers, but even if I concede that (which I'm not), we certainly aren't in line with the teams that threaten championship every year. 

If drafting a wr for the 3rd straight year and there is no way you can say with a straight face that its not about bryce.

 

And thats awesome you had to respond to the same post 2x trying to make your point.   Again if you go through all the wr rooms in the nfl its an easy case to make we are top half

[TD alt]

19 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

You're missing the point. Great players elevate those around them. Bryce needs all of this elevation just to not be one of the worst QBs in the league. We may actually have legit WRs and pieces to go around Bryce and he's not able to get the job done week in and week out. 

You're so quick to blame all the other offensive pieces but are willing to defend a QB that has never played back to back franchise QB football games in 3 seasons. There's a reason we have had Dalton and now KP as backups. Neither one are capable of challenging a QB that struggled to reach 3k yards passing in his best season. 

This offense might look very different with a mid tier QB. Unfortunately our owner and FO are to scared to even allow that possibility. 

I think we all agree that Bryce is not great (at least he hasn't been in three seasons). That being said, he's not going to elevate as much as he's going to collaborate. He's going to do his part, and that's about as much as we can expect. All that being said, even great QBs who can put the team on their shoulders and will it to victory, so to speak, are likely not going to be legitimate championship contenders with a group that's obviously substandard against teams with obviously better players. Of course coaching, grit and sheer luck can play a part, but great play and great conclusions are generally the results of great players, especially when it comes to January and February. 

[TD alt]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

If drafting a wr for the 3rd straight year and there is no way you can say with a straight face that its not about bryce.

 

And thats awesome you had to respond to the same post 2x trying to make your point.   Again if you go through all the wr rooms in the nfl its an easy case to make we are top half

Oh, now we are "top half?" Keep moving the goal posts. No we aren't. We don't have a surefire WR2, nor do we have a TE that we can count on to consistently make big plays. Our receiving corps is somewhat bland to be honest. It does not have enough juice. Add another playmaker, then we'll likely be top half. Our receiving corps ranked somewhere between 20 and 25 in the league depending upon who you look at. No one has us in the top half based upon last season.

[strato]

1st round WR again. This will be so great. 
Imagine if we had a QB worthy of all of this. It might be something. 

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Oh, now we are "top half?" Keep moving the goal posts. No we aren't. We don't have a surefire WR2, nor do we have a TE that we can count on to consistently make big plays. Our receiving corps is somewhat bland to be honest. It does not have enough juice. Add another playmaker, then we'll likely be top half. Our receiving corps ranked somewhere between 20 and 25 in the league depending upon who you look at. No one has us in the top half based upon last season.

My original post :  Yeah man we are in better shape than the bulk of the teams in the league.

 

There is no goal post moving.  We have a top 15 wr room.  We have an absolute stud and a high floor guy.  Not sure why you are disparaging our guys,  So now for the offense to be unlocked we need a speed guy playmaker, this is insanity

[mrcompletely11]

Teams we are better than in regards to the wr room without a doubt and there are other teams you could easily debate

Ravens

Pats

bills

miami

pats

jets

ravens 

browns

jags (debatable for sure)

titans

Chiefs

Raiders

Giants (debatable)

Saints 

Skins

Edited April 10 by mrcompletely11

[SmokinwithWilly]

27 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

I didn't defend anyone. You're projecting. I want the team to be better. If that means drafting another offensive weapon, then so be it. But to suggest we would be good to great on offense if Bryce were replaced is a stretch. We have holes, issues and question marks all over the offensive roster. 

So to suggest that our offensive weapons might not be as horrible as being claimed if we were to have Josh Allen throwing to them instead of Bryce is a stretch? Maybe they would be better, maybe not. But I'm not going to keep saying we need more weapons and more this and more that with a QB that struggles to get 200 yards passing in a game. 

8 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Oh, now we are "top half?" Keep moving the goal posts. No we aren't. We don't have a surefire WR2, nor do we have a TE that we can count on to consistently make big plays. Our receiving corps is somewhat bland to be honest. It does not have enough juice. Add another playmaker, then we'll likely be top half. Our receiving corps ranked somewhere between 20 and 25 in the league depending upon who you look at. No one has us in the top half based upon last season.

You're right, our receiving corp was ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league. Who was throwing to them? A bottom 3rd QB. 

If the team wants to get better it has to be serious about the QB position. We aren't and no amount of adding weapons is going to solve the fact Bryce is a bottom tier QB or that the most serious camp competition he has ever faced was Andy Dalton. 

If Carolina fans were watching any other franchise entrench themselves so vehemently around this level of QB production, we'd be laughing like he'll and waiting for our chance to play them twice a year.