Carolina Still Not Respected

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Just now, jfra78 said:

Our QB room feels like a punt till the next draft

Agree. 

[LinvilleGorge]

33 minutes ago, strato said:

I am devil’s advocate here on that. There is a special kind of logic that says emulate your starter when you pick your backup, that could be in play. Next level poo. 

Atlanta got a LH backup for their LH starter.  We got a weak armed low velocity high arc thrower for ours. 
It means the timing of the guys playing on the second team is more tuned to what they will have to sync with if they have to step up to the ones. 
 

Tell me it doesn’t make a lot of sense on some level. 
 

It makes no sense to pile up guys who have marginal NFL arm strength. Would you pile up corners and receivers who run 4.7 40s? Linemen who can't put up 20 reps on the bench?

No, focusing on accumulating players with marginal NFL talent level doesn't make any sense.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It makes no sense to pile up guys who have marginal NFL arm strength. Would you pile up corners and receivers who run 4.7 40s? Linemen who can't put up 20 reps on the bench?

No, focusing on accumulating players with marginal NFL talent level doesn't make any sense.

No I wouldn’t and you know damned well I wanted no part of Bryce Young going back pre 2023 draft. That is a strawman as applies to this specific circumstance.  I do not suggest stacking midget QBs nor 4.7 running defenders. 
 

But we have what we have at QB. 
 

I am sure you noticed that some guys who flop with Bryce did better with Andy throwing to them. May as well get all your targets dealing with the same drill. Mostly balls with lots of air under them. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, strato said:

No I wouldn’t and you know damned well I wanted no part of Bryce Young going back pre 2023 draft. That is a strawman as applies to this specific circumstance.  I do not suggest stacking midget QBs nor 4.7 running defenders. 
 

But we have what we have at QB. 
 

I am sure you noticed that some guys who flop with Bryce did better with Andy throwing to them. May as well get all your targets dealing with the same drill. Mostly balls with lots of air under them. 

I'd just focus on building the best roster I could and my focus this year at QB would have been finding a guy to put some serious heat on Bryce, not building a QB room that seems to be assembled with the primary objective of not hurting Bryce's fee fees.

[Navy_football]

Didn't Dave bench Bryce after his first 2 games? Am I missing something? Why do you think Bryce is being coddled or isn't being challenged by Dave and Dan? Serious question. 

I think Dave was completely out on Bryce when he benched him. The chances of him coming back after that was very slim. He only got back in because of a freak injury from a car accident. Then he absolutely won that position back. It wasn't given to him at that point. He earned it with his play. And please know that Dave did not bench Bryce without getting agreement from Morgan and Tepper. Everyone was ready to go to plan B.

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'd just focus on building the best roster I could and my focus this year at QB would have been finding a guy to put some serious heat on Bryce, not building a QB room that seems to be assembled with the primary objective of not hurting Bryce's fee fees.

Hurting his feelings or not is not the point of the comment. It is simply noting the logic of matching your backup to your starter. 

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1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

Didn't Dave bench Bryce after his first 2 games? Am I missing something? Why do you think Bryce is being coddled or isn't being challenged by Dave and Dan? Serious question. 

I think Dave was completely out on Bryce when he benched him. The chances of him coming back after that was very slim. He only got back in because of a freak injury from a car accident. Then he absolutely won that position back. It wasn't given to him at that point. He earned it with his play. And please know that Dave did not bench Bryce without getting agreement from Morgan and Tepper. Everyone was ready to go to plan B.

I don’t know what to believe when they make a statement on Bryce but some months back Morgan said they were never out.  It was a time out to try and get him reset (not a direct quote, my summary of it). 
 I could not link to it and there are a number of Morgan videos out there, I can’t even remember if it was a presser, an interview or a guest spot on the podcast/radio circuit. 
But as a non Bryce fan my ears perked up when I heard that. 
FWIW. 

[LinvilleGorge]

50 minutes ago, strato said:

Hurting his feelings or not is not the point of the comment. It is simply noting the logic of matching your backup to your starter. 

There's no logic in specifically targeting players who lack key NFL talent measurable. Logic says to not do that. 

Never in my life have I heard anyone attempt to argue that if your starting player lacks in a key area that you should target backups who also lack in that same area. That's because it's illogical.

[electro's horse]

It works the other way tho. You’d never sign a backup qb who’s too small to run the offense or needs all new guards. 

it’s why Bryce is done after the panthers. 

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29 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's no logic in specifically targeting players who lack key NFL talent measurable. Logic says to not do that. 

Never in my life have I heard anyone attempt to argue that if your starting player lacks in a key area that you should target backups who also lack in that same area. That's because it's illogical.

Bryce is illogical no doubt. The idea of simulating your starter with your number two is very logical. 

Look… if we had Cam would the concept be stupid? Illogical? Or a left handed QB like I referenced at the jump? Illogical that you try to cc your starter to get consistency across your first and second team? No, that is not illogical. 
 

You just want to make this about Morgan or Canales and rage against Bryce. Seems like. I get that they haven’t challenged him. Obviously, they don’t want to. 
 

And to deflate the scope of this catastrophe further, Pickett is only on a one year deal. And… we were getting a place holder this year regardless. 

Dalton is gone. I am not unhappy about it. I think KP could probably mimic Bryce in a game pretty closely for that matter. How much different would it be….

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22 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

It works the other way tho. You’d never sign a backup qb who’s too small to run the offense or needs all new guards. 

it’s why Bryce is done after the panthers. 

If there is an after the Panthers.  SOB has 9 lives.

 

And I don’t think Pickett is tiny, his arm is the comp not his size. 
 

Your point on Bryce and his future viability as a backup is valid though. He can’t do Murray because the arm is not there.  Nor the plus athleticism. WHo the f can he do? Maybe if Pickett gets a job somewhere. 

Edited 9 minutes ago by strato