2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

[cranky]

7 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Actually that 4400 was based on a 16 game season to match Bryce's 16 games this year. Your offense has to be to drive the ball when it matters. Bryce doesn't do that with any level of consistency. If you're building a team that isn't focused on your QB, then fine. Then there's no need to pay Bryce as a franchise QB because literally anyone else will do. If you're going to pay him 50m plus per season, you have to be able to put the team on his shoulders and know he's going to carry the load. So far, when the pressure is on to get it done, Bryce has fallen miserably short of the target. 4-6 to finish out the season and 0-2 when all we need is a win to secure a playoff spot isn't stepping up and proving yourself as a franchise QB. I'd say it's quite the opposite. 

There isn't a single coach in this league that would take Bryce over Burrow and very few if any that would take Bryce over Prescott. Hurts didn't have to throw in 2025 because Philly's defense was disgusting and Saquan had a MVP season. But then again, Hurts has shown that he can when it counts, and then there's his signature. Philly runs the tush push to lethal perfection, but that's a play we can't even consider with Bryce.

You used 3 QBs from teams that had no defense to show QB stats don't always matter. When we had the worst defense in the NFL, we didn't see Bryce step up and carry the offense and put up gaudy numbers in a losing season because we were playing catch up. It was pretty much the opposite. 

What have we seen from Bryce consistently to consider offering him a top 10 NFL franchise QB level contract? At the end of the day, that's all that matters. 

 

See, now you think I am comparing Young to the other QBs - I'm not. I'm just illustrating how yardage isn't a good indicator of a teams success. And a teams wins/losses is all that really matters in the end.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, cranky said:

Not sure why everyone keeps talking about the Panthers paying him $50M/year. I don't recall anyone EVER saying he deserves that. I think something like what the Dolphins signed Malik Willis to would be good: 3 years, $67.5M but it will probably be something along the lines of Mayfield or Darnold which is around $35M/year.

Why would he go for that?

[cranky]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Why would he go for that?

Because the market will dictate his value and I doubt ( I could be wrong ) that any team would offer him top 10 QB money at this point in his career. Now if he thinks he is worth more, than my guess is the Panther's would let him test the market and see. 

I could see him thinking he was worth more but also realize he has to prove it for a couple of more years. A 3 year contract would be perfect for both the Panther's and him.

[cranky]

17 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

You used 3 QBs from teams that had no defense to show QB stats don't always matter. When we had the worst defense in the NFL, we didn't see Bryce step up and carry the offense and put up gaudy numbers in a losing season because we were playing catch up. It was pretty much the opposite. 

 

And yet even with gaudy numbers, they all still had bad records so it doesn't matter. 

[cranky]

36 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

You used 3 QBs from teams that had no defense to show QB stats don't always matter. When we had the worst defense in the NFL, we didn't see Bryce step up and carry the offense and put up gaudy numbers in a losing season because we were playing catch up. It was pretty much the opposite. 

Really? In the last 8 games of the season, they had 4 games go into OT winning 3 of them. They took the lead against the Chiefs only for the defense to allow them to score for the win in the final minute. Against the Eagles, they were a dropped Legette pass away from a win. They beat the Falcons and Cardinals in OT scoring 36 and 44 respectively and while they lost to the Bucs in OT it was only because after Young threw a TD to Thielen with 30 seconds to go for the lead, the defense gave up a FG for the tie and then gave up a FG in OT.

But really that is all besides the point. The point stands that total yardage is not the best indicator of a QB's value to a team. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, cranky said:

Not sure why everyone keeps talking about the Panthers paying him $50M/year. I don't recall anyone EVER saying he deserves that. I think something like what the Dolphins signed Malik Willis to would be good: 3 years, $67.5M but it will probably be something along the lines of Mayfield or Darnold which is around $35M/year.

Because he's the number 1 overall pick on his original team. He's not going into FA. He'll want what other 1st round QBs get on their second deal. And Tepper is so enamored with him he'll force the issue.  

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, cranky said:

Because the market will dictate his value and I doubt ( I could be wrong ) that any team would offer him top 10 QB money at this point in his career. Now if he thinks he is worth more, than my guess is the Panther's would let him test the market and see. 

I could see him thinking he was worth more but also realize he has to prove it for a couple of more years. A 3 year contract would be perfect for both the Panther's and him.

What market? He's not a free agent. He can only negotiate with us. As desperate as the Panthers are to pretend that he's a franchise QB if they re-sign him that's how they'll pay him. If they don't, it's basically a flat out admission that no one sees Bryce Young as a franchise QB including himself and his agent.

[cranky]

42 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Because he's the number 1 overall pick on his original team. He's not going into FA. He'll want what other 1st round QBs get on their second deal. And Tepper is so enamored with him he'll force the issue.  

I disagree. I don't think Morgan and Tilis will go that route and while everyone likes to talk of how Tepper will keep him, I doubt it. I think those decisions are Morgan's and Tilis's at this point.

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, cranky said:

I disagree. I don't think Morgan and Tilis will go that route and while everyone likes to talk of how Tepper will keep him, I doubt it. I think those decisions are Morgan's and Tilis's at this point.

Bullshit

[cranky]

38 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What market? He's not a free agent. He can only negotiate with us. As desperate as the Panthers are to pretend that he's a franchise QB if they re-sign him that's how they'll pay him. If they don't, it's basically a flat out admission that no one sees Bryce Young as a franchise QB including himself and his agent.

Not exactly. The Panthers' aren't locked into paying him $50M. It may be what has been done in the past with QB's coming off their Rookie contracts but it doesn't mean they have to do it. They can offer any kind of contract they want and Young can either accept it or not. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, cranky said:

Not exactly. The Panthers' aren't locked into paying him $50M. It may be what has been done in the past with QB's coming off their Rookie contracts but it doesn't mean they have to do it. They can offer any kind of contract they want and Young can either accept it or not. 

I'm not saying they have to do it. I'm begging that they don't. What I'm saying is if they're pretending he's a franchise QB and/or Bryce views himself as a franchise QB or his agent thinks he can get him paid as a franchise QB from off the record conversations he'd have judging his client's value around the league then that's what it will take to sign hin before he had an opportunity to openly negotiate with other teams. My concern is that the Panthers are gonna give this backup/replacement level starter $50M+ just to continue pretending that trade wasn't a kneecapping mistake.

[cranky]

21 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Bullshit

Prove it. Show me one thing Tepper has said over the past year that makes you think he still mkaes the roster decisions. I am fully aware of everyones' opinion here but I'm just not sure he hasn't learned his lesson and has backed off from making those decisions. I know, as the owner, he always has the final say but, again, I just think he's realized he is out of his depth when it comes down to talent evaluation.

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, cranky said:

Prove it. Show me one thing Tepper has said over the past year that makes you think he still mkaes the roster decisions. I am fully aware of everyones' opinion here but I'm just not sure he hasn't learned his lesson and has backed off from making those decisions. I know, as the owner, he always has the final say but, again, I just think he's realized he is out of his depth when it comes down to talent evaluation.

That was easy 

 

https://catcrave.com/david-tepper-delivers-clear-message-carolina-panthers-fans-about-bryce-young

[cranky]

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not saying they have to do it. I'm begging that they don't. What I'm saying is if they're pretending he's a franchise QB and/or Bryce views himself as a franchise QB or his agent thinks he can get him paid as a franchise QB from off the record conversations he'd have judging his client's value around the league then that's what it will take to sign hin before he had an opportunity to openly negotiate with other teams. My concern is that the Panthers are gonna give this backup/replacement level starter $50M+ just to continue pretending that trade wasn't a kneecapping mistake.

I know what you are saying and can see the logic in it. But I really think Morgan and Tilis have a plan and will stick to it. Yes, it is expected that you sign your rookie QB to around $50M if you extend him. But lets say they really like what he did in 26 but are still not sure but he is demanding $50 to sign. While most people would hate the thought of franchising him, it could be an option. Basically you would be getting him for 2 year at an average of $40 a year (($25M + ~$55M) / 2). That extra year gives them a little more time to evaluate him without signing him long term. 

Having said all of that, I am no expert when it comes to contracts and QB extensions so it may all be a pipe dream on my part lol.