2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

[cranky]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

That was easy 

 

https://catcrave.com/david-tepper-delivers-clear-message-carolina-panthers-fans-about-bryce-young

All that proves is he likes him as a person and has seen some good things out of him. He did not say he is our franchise QB and he did not say he will be making a decision. No doubt he likes him, wants him to work out but even after reading that, I still believe ultimately that decision will lie with Morgan, Tilis and Canales.

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, cranky said:

All that proves is he likes him as a person and has seen some good things out of him. He did not say he is our franchise QB and he did not say he will be making a decision. No doubt he likes him, wants him to work out but even after reading that, I still believe ultimately that decision will lie with Morgan, Tilis and Canales.

Keep your head in the sand then:

 

Owners don’t typically offer personal endorsements, leadership praise, and clutch-game confidence all at once unless they view the quarterback as foundational. Sure, Carolina may still be gathering long-term proof on paper, but publicly, its owner made one thing clear above all else...

[strato]

Well, if they know Tepper wants to keep Bryce there is an an implied safety net there in case he fails. A possibility that he will be empathetic and •maybe• not fire them. 
If they go against that and bring in someone else and that fails they are in a much worse spot.  IMO. 
And another factor may be that after all those years of instability and musical chairs pre Bryce there will likely be a feeling of security in knowing what they have.  
Kind of like settling just to keep from going through the process all over again.  
 

IOW I think he really needs to fug up bad to lose his job and change our course.  

Edited 11 hours ago by strato

[cranky]

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Keep your head in the sand then:

 

Owners don’t typically offer personal endorsements, leadership praise, and clutch-game confidence all at once unless they view the quarterback as foundational. Sure, Carolina may still be gathering long-term proof on paper, but publicly, its owner made one thing clear above all else...

I can always count on yout to put things so delicately lol.

I'm still not sold on the fact that Tepper will make them keep him if they don't see him as a long term answer.

[cranky]

4 minutes ago, strato said:

Well, if they know Tepper wants to keep Bryce there is an an implied safety net there in case he fails. A possibility that he will be empathetic and •maybe• not fire them. 
If they go against that and bring in someone else and that fails they are in a much worse spot.  IMO. 
And another factor may be that after all those years of instability and musical chairs pre Bryce there will likely be a feeling of security in knowing what they have.  
Kind of like settling just to keep from going through the process all over again.  

You bring up a good point on the stability part and i would agree that probably will factor into it.

But yes, Tepper does have a strong influence on who stays/goes but I still believe ultimately it'is Morgan, Tilis and Canales who will decide.

 

[strato]

8 minutes ago, cranky said:

You bring up a good point on the stability part and i would agree that probably will factor into it.

But yes, Tepper does have a strong influence on who stays/goes but I still believe ultimately it'is Morgan, Tilis and Canales who will decide.

 

Okay they will decide. Not arguing that. I simply brought up things outside of strictly unbiased evaluation that may influence the decision. 
 

IOW I think the deck is stacked in his favor and he will have to Phuck it up with a no doubt regression to spare us.  

[mrcompletely11]

18 minutes ago, cranky said:

I can always count on yout to put things so delicately lol.

I'm still not sold on the fact that Tepper will make them keep him if they don't see him as a long term answer.

Its not directly making them keep him, its influencing their decision, like drafting him to start with and then drafting XL the next year.

 

If you dont think Teppers comments on a national tv show dont influence Dan/Daves thinking into this then I dont know what to tell you.  I mean fug man Tepper literally lays it out right there for you to digest.  its not on me if you cant decipher what he is saying.  If Tepper likes bryce and doesnt want to get rid of him then you really think Dan is going make a move contrary to that?

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, strato said:

Okay they will decide. Not arguing that. I simply brought up things outside of strictly unbiased evaluation that may influence the decision. 
 

IOW I think the deck is stacked in his favor and he will have to Phuck it up with a no doubt regression to spare us.  

this 100% this

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, cranky said:

I know what you are saying and can see the logic in it. But I really think Morgan and Tilis have a plan and will stick to it. Yes, it is expected that you sign your rookie QB to around $50M if you extend him. But lets say they really like what he did in 26 but are still not sure but he is demanding $50 to sign. While most people would hate the thought of franchising him, it could be an option. Basically you would be getting him for 2 year at an average of $40 a year (($25M + ~$55M) / 2). That extra year gives them a little more time to evaluate him without signing him long term. 

Having said all of that, I am no expert when it comes to contracts and QB extensions so it may all be a pipe dream on my part lol.

If you need 6 years to evaluate whether or not your QB is worth keeping, the whole staff needs to be fired. 

[Dingo_ate_Babies]

Sign Bryce to a 2-year deal. I think he continues to improve, but not enough to remove all doubt as the long term answer at QB.

[strato]

1 hour ago, Dingo_ate_Babies said:

Sign Bryce to a 2-year deal. I think he continues to improve, but not enough to remove all doubt as the long term answer at QB.

He is on a two year deal. I wish they would just leave it at that.

If he balls out Tepper will pay him and if he actually does that, well I don’t think he would want to leave.
Because his balling out will be because they have put everything possible around him.  It will all be right here.  

[strato]

2 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If you need 6 years to evaluate whether or not your QB is worth keeping, the whole staff needs to be fired. 

They should have given me a consulting fee I could have saved them those 6 years minus about ten minutes

[cranky]

1 hour ago, strato said:

He is on a two year deal. I wish they would just leave it at that.

If he balls out Tepper will pay him and if he actually does that, well I don’t think he would want to leave.
Because his balling out will be because they have put everything possible around him.  It will all be right here.  

Can't you say that about most QBs? Did Darnold win the SB for the Seahawks or did he capitalize on the talent around him? Hurts is a good QB but they had a crazy good defense and running game the year they won the SB. Stafford only had 4 winning seasons his first twelve years with the Lions but won a SB the first year away with the Rams. All three time, the QBs were surrounded with talent. Yes, they still had to do their part but their success was just as much a product of the talent around them as anythng else. 

[strato]

1 hour ago, cranky said:

Can't you say that about most QBs? Did Darnold win the SB for the Seahawks or did he capitalize on the talent around him? Hurts is a good QB but they had a crazy good defense and running game the year they won the SB. Stafford only had 4 winning seasons his first twelve years with the Lions but won a SB the first year away with the Rams. All three time, the QBs were surrounded with talent. Yes, they still had to do their part but their success was just as much a product of the talent around them as anythng else. 

You can play one through six degrees of separation with all of them if you want.  Okay they have this in common or that in common.  I don’t know how to assign meaning to it without evaluating each one. 
For example in Darnold’s case his arm could bail him out sometimes and it could get him in trouble sometimes. Bryce is not going to get bailed out by his arm. He  very obviously, IMO, has trouble seeing the field and his margins with his arm strength are smaller or thinner than a guy like Darnold’s margin would be. By a lot. Or Stafford. Hell he threw a ball almost 80 yards when he was young and can still do 70.  
Bryce does not have that. 

If he succeeds it is because he is near perfect.  
I just don’t consider him as offering me any real advantages.  
 

Edited 4 hours ago by strato