2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

[cranky]

18 minutes ago, strato said:

I see. Okay you are out of context there, It isn’t referring to the NFL, maybe read it again. To me it clearly reads to mean he couldn’t win a NC with Alabama. “In that environment” is referring to college/Alabama.  
 

yes it says recreate Saban’s Bama in the NFL but the reference about not winning refers to the NC game he lost. 

I just read "either" as implying he wouldn't be able to win in the NFL but whatever

[strato]

1 minute ago, cranky said:

I just read "either" as implying he wouldn't be able to win in the NFL but whatever

Linville can say what he meant, easily enough. Reads one way to me. And yeah whatever about all this poo.  

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, cranky said:

Ok...let's be accurate. Here is the complete paragraph.

"If you plug Bryce onto the Pro Bowl roster you might have a chance to compete for a SB. If he's surrounded by top tier talent with a top tier defense on the other side, a field flipping punter, and a kicker good from 60+ you might have a chance. But that means you basically have to recreate Saban's Bama in the NFL and that's impossible... and Bryce couldn't win a championship in that environment either."

Two or three? There were 2 pro bowlers on the OL, a TE pro bowler (Olsen) and a running back pro bowler (Stewart) so that's 4 on offense alone - not 2 or 3. On defense you had Short, Davis, Kuechly and Norman all pro bowlers. Thats' 8 starting pro bowlers on the 2015 roster. So yeah, I would say that was a pro bowl roster.

So yes, please, let's be accurate.

8 Pro Bowlers = "the Pro Bowl roster" says the guy begging "please let's be accurate".

Embarrassing. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, cranky said:

I simply responded to your post - paragraph by paragraph. 

The bottom line is, you think Young has had more talent to work with than Newton. I disagree.

I posted all the talent each had to work with their rookie years and you still stated Newton had less talent. Again, I disagree. 

You said his OL in 2015 was trash. I pointed out there were two pro bowlers on it and while Micahael Oher wasn't a pro bowler, he was far from trash so again, disagree.

You forgot to mention Olsen played that year, another pro bowler as well, so I reminded you he played as well as Stewart (another pro bowler who according to you only got there because of Newton).

The inital post was in response to the statement Young couldn't win a SB even with a roter of Pro Bowlers. I simply pointed out that Newton couldn't either. That doesn't diminish how good Newton was - just pointing out that wasn't a good comparison.

You keep mischaractetizing arguments because you have to. Your arguments can't stand alone. Weak OTs does not mean trash OL. It means you're weak at OT.

I specifically said Olsen was a great TE.

You don't have a good argument so you're having to resort to intellectual dishonesty to try to float a bad argument. 

[cranky]

11 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I see Bryce's development this way: He improved when his supporting cast improved.  TMac and Dowdle saved his arse last year, but in fairness, most good QBs have good WRs and good RBs--and good OLs.   The 2025 OL underperformed, actually. They were above average, but they should have been elite if you consider the salary cap.  

As soon as we signed Lewis and Hunt, I started thinking, "That's not sustainable.  With Ickey about to get paid a LT salary, Moton and Hunt grabbling $50m per season combined, and Lewis around $17m--that would be nearly $100m and the Center just walked.  Yikes. 

What does that mean?  Rico walks, Mays walks, and we do not have a top 5 WR on a second contract.  We do not have an elite TE, and only 1 is on a modest second contract.

And now Bryce will demand $50m for his incremental rise to mediocrity?  

So when we sign Bryce, we will get weaker at other positions.  Hunt, Moton, maybe Ickey and Lewis, will all be casualties--that is the right move regardless (not sure yet about Ickey, but he was not elite)

Bryce is one lucky, entitled camper.  No competition since being drafted, and he lost his job for a while to the aging clipboard holder.  Now we are bringing in UDFAs and busts to compete with him.

 

Rico walking is no big deal. I'll take a healthy 2024 Hubbard over Rico any time and losing Mays is, again, no a big deal. 

Young is signed for what, $35M for the next two years? Say he wants $50M but the FO doesn't. If they put the franchise tag on him, that would be around $55? So basically they are getting Young for the next 3 years for an average of $30M per year. Putting the franchise tag on him wouldn't be my first choice but it gives them an option that wouldn't be locking him into a long term, $50M contract. I'm not suggestion they do that. Just that the option will be there should they get to that point.

Hunt is on a 5 year deal which is done in 28 so he either restructures or is gone anyway. Moton will be 35 by then and will either be gone or have diminished playing time. Neither of those players has anything to do with getting Young a contract. The O line is way overpaid anyway. Hopefully by the time they are gone, Freeling and Hecht will be developed and Ickey will be healthy.

Young was benched his second year and only got his job back because Dalton was injured. Not sure how you can call that entitled. And I would NOT say putting a rookie QB on a team with no receivers, tight ends or O lineman and then being put with a coach who never wanted you and is fired mid season, is a definition of luck. As far as competition, no team is going to bring in competition for a QB picked first overall - especially given the capital that was given up to get him.

 

[frankw]

Arguing about who had what and who did what with more is just going to end in the same charades.

If we're going to waste a lot of hot air arguing then make it about something that cannot be denied. What you are seeing with your own two eyes.

Cam Newton was a tremendously talented athlete albeit flawed in fundamental aspects. And although he played poorly in and lost a Super Bowl you cannot deny him that more often than not through his prime his teammates knew they could count on him to hold up his end of the bargain usually and be a key driving force for keeping them in games. Giving his defense much needed rest and motivation in wanting to match his grit as a competitor.

That aspect is just not there with Bryce Young. Yeah he's dumped on the Falcons in a dome twice but what about his other 44 games? When has the Panthers defense the last three years ever looked at their starting quarterback and thought to themselves "man I'm so glad he's my QB"?

[DeAngelo Beason]

No one is more paranoid about the cap than Carolina Panthers fans.  One of the more bizarre things about this fan base.