PFW: Carolina seeks second-round pick By Nolan Nawrocki

[TheRed]

Mr. Scot have you and Nawrocki set the wedding date yet?

[teeray]

He writes the negative stuff that he hears on every single draft prospect in the book, including personal stuff.

Why exactly would it require an agenda to do the same thing with Newton that he's done with pretty much every prospect he's profiled?

Was it an agenda with Jimmy Clausen and Rhett Bomar, or is Cam the only guy that's above such criticism?

What are his consequences if he is wrong about the negatives?? Does he return any of the money??

I mean specifically about character stuff like Cam's not the skill evaluations.

[Mr. Scot]

What are his consequences if he is wrong about the negatives?? Does he return any of the money??

Consequences are he loses credibility, something that's pretty important to what he does.

Lose enough credibility and yes, you start losing money because your sales go down.

PFW's been wrong before (everybody is) but they're right way more than they're wrong. And a big reason for that is that they take everything they hear into account.

[teeray]

You posted before I edited. I mean about character stuff. You call a guy a liar and a phony and a bad yeammate, and barely have the ability to back it up.

Would you not agree that it was over the top? Think about what he said about the guy and the evidence he has presented to support it.

[Mr. Scot]

You posted before I edited. I mean about character stuff. You call a guy a liar and a phony and a bad yeammate, and barely have the ability to back it up.

Would you not agree that it was over the top? Think about what he said about the guy and the evidence he has presented to support it.

I think it was probably mild compared to some of the stuff scouts say to teams privately (in general, not just about Newton).

Answer me this. Should he pull back on the negatives for everybody they scout, or just Newton?

[teeray]

I think it was probably mild compared to some of the stuff scouts say to teams privately (in general, not just about Newton).

Answer me this. Should he pull back on the negatives for everybody they scout, or just Newton?

I think when you go after a guys character and accuse him of being a phony you better have the evidence to back it up. I don't think he did. His evidence was "I talked to a couple of guys"

If you go to the extent that he did you need complete actual quotes from the scouts not notes from your conversations, you need to contextualize it to the umpeeth degree, and you need to give a person a chance to defend himself against a personal attack like that. Talk to him about it. Get his take on things best you can. Give a reader some perspective.

You say constantly "this is how teams do it". Bull poo. When a scout delivers a report on someones character he has usually spent hours talking to the kid, talking to the janitor, talking to professors, coaches, opposing team's coaches, friends, family, etc. A scout for a team says "Hey we found this out in your background check tell me about it". And the kid tells his story.

There is a lot more that goes into it than "I talked to a couple of guys".

You might think he did this but I KNOW he didn't bc he doesn't have the time and resources to do it that in depth for 400 kids he probably evaluated. And he said himself he didn't interview Cam.

He didn't say he had questions in these areas. He said it as of it were a fact and foregone conclusion.

[Jackofalltrades]

Mr. Scot have you and Nawrocki set the wedding date yet?

Crap like this is really unnecessary and does nothing to add to the discussion.

[Mr. Scot]

I think when you go after a guys character and accuse him of being a phony you better have the evidence to back it up. I don't think he did. His evidence was "I talked to a couple of guys"

If you go to the extent that he did you need complete actual quotes from the scouts not notes from your conversations, you need to contextualize it to the umpeeth degree, and you need to give a person a chance to defend himself against a personal attack like that. Talk to him about it. Get his take on things best you can. Give a reader some perspective.

You say constantly "this is how teams do it". Bull poo. When a scout delivers a report on someones character he has usually spent hours talking to the kid, talking to the janitor, talking to professors, coaches, opposing team's coaches, friends, family, etc. A scout for a team says "Hey we found this out in your background check tell me about it". And the kid tells his story.

There is a lot more that goes into it than "I talked to a couple of guys".

You might think he did this but I KNOW he didn't bc he doesn't have the time and resources to do it that in depth for 400 kids he probably evaluated. And he said himself he didn't interview Cam.

He didn't say he had questions in these areas. He said it as of it were a fact and foregone conclusion.

Didn't answer my question.

Do they need to not be negative on every prospect, or is Cam newton the only one who's being treated unfairly?

(I can tell you there's some very personal stuff reported on Marcell Dareus, for one)

[Lout]

I don't think Nawrocki singled Cam out.. he talks badly about several draft prospects on his guide, both black and white, offense/defense, you name it.

[MadHatter]

I think when you go after a guys character and accuse him of being a phony you better have the evidence to back it up. I don't think he did. His evidence was "I talked to a couple of guys"

If you go to the extent that he did you need complete actual quotes from the scouts not notes from your conversations, you need to contextualize it to the umpeeth degree, and you need to give a person a chance to defend himself against a personal attack like that. Talk to him about it. Get his take on things best you can. Give a reader some perspective.

You say constantly "this is how teams do it". Bull poo. When a scout delivers a report on someones character he has usually spent hours talking to the kid, talking to the janitor, talking to professors, coaches, opposing team's coaches, friends, family, etc. A scout for a team says "Hey we found this out in your background check tell me about it". And the kid tells his story.

There is a lot more that goes into it than "I talked to a couple of guys".

You might think he did this but I KNOW he didn't bc he doesn't have the time and resources to do it that in depth for 400 kids he probably evaluated. And he said himself he didn't interview Cam.

He didn't say he had questions in these areas. He said it as of it were a fact and foregone conclusion.

He is stating his opinion based on his reasearch...talking to scouts...interviews with the players....etc.

Based on his interactions and what he is hearing, he printed his "opinion" on the character of Cam Newton.

I guarantee you that he has a heck of a lot more information that he is basing his opinion on.....than any of us.

He opinion is worth no more or no less than any other analyst out there.

You don't like what he said because it was not what you wanted to here.

If he had come out with a glowing review of Cam, you would declare you love for the guy and say how great his analysis was.

That is all.

[Mr. Scot]

I don't think Nawrocki singled Cam out.. he talks badly about several draft prospects on his guide, both black and white, offense/defense, you name it.

Pretty much.

But all of a sudden when it's Newton, it's unfair, he has an agenda and he's a big mean poopy pants :rolleyes:

[teeray]

He is stating his opinion based on his reasearch...talking to scouts...interviews with the players....etc.

Based on his interactions and what he is hearing, he printed his "opinion" on the character of Cam Newton.

I guarantee you that he has a heck of a lot more information that he is basing his opinion on.....than any of us.

He opinion is worth no more or no less than any other analyst out there.

You don't like what he said because it was not what you wanted to here.

If he had come out with a glowing review of Cam, you would declare you love for the guy and say how great his analysis was.

That is all.

I never said this was about Cam only. Why do people keep saying that?? It might get more scrutiny bc it is Cam but doesn't change a single thing of what I have said.

[teeray]

Didn't answer my question.

Do they need to not be negative on every prospect, or is Cam newton the only one who's being treated unfairly?

(I can tell you there's some very personal stuff reported on Marcell Dareus, for one)

I think I did answer it. :( I have no problem with it when you can back it up and do you due diligence which he didn't. In other words saying you have concerns over a guy's support structure because he lost his family is verifiable. Calling someone a liar with nothing to back it up isn't.

[MadHatter]

I never said this was about Cam only. Why do people keep saying that?? It might get more scrutiny bc it is Cam but doesn't change a single thing of what I have said.

I responded to your comment with my post. I did not necessarily want to single you out.

I was merely stating that all the the supporters of Cam are going after this guy only because what he wrote was negative.