Article about Auburn passing attack

[MHS831]

jury is still out on these JR QB's Sanchez, Stafford, and Bradford but they have been pretty successful so far in their respected careers.

Yes, you are right about that, but Clausen also fits into that category. However, if you look at the QBs below who came out early, only 14% (about 20% if you call Vick a success and I probably do), succeeded. That is why I am against picking Cam. The foundation is not there yet. We are all arguing physical set vs. mindset, which explains the divide. History is working against Newton, not the haters. They simply see the odds against him. Some say he cannot be compared to them because he is a stud--not enough of one to overcome The Golden Calf of Bristol, however.

[cdandi1]

This article might have been, to some a negative on Newton's passing ability, but for me it gives me some resolve on his passing ability. If anything, from those videos and explanation, I feel much better about his passing ability. Still raw as hell, but encouraging.

[MHS831]

This article might have been, to some a negative on Newton's passing ability, but for me it gives me some resolve on his passing ability. If anything, from those videos and explanation, I feel much better about his passing ability. Still raw as hell, but encouraging.

The part that describes the jump from his level of development at Auburn to where it would be as a senior to the NFL is sobering. It is like going from bonehead math to calculus in a year.

And we are going to draft him without the possibility of OTAs, training camp? Whew. How can anyone expect him to be successful before about 2013?

[cdandi1]

The part that describes the jump from his level of development at Auburn to where it would be as a senior to the NFL is sobering. It is like going from bonehead math to calculus in a year.

And we are going to draft him without the possibility of OTAs, training camp? Whew. How can anyone expect him to be successful before about 2013?

I guess what I was trying to say is, at least it appears that he has the physial ability. Hopefully he'll be one to study tape day and night to catch up to the mental aspect. Put an ability to progress and stick in the pocket with his physical ability is startling.

[MHS831]

I guess what I was trying to say is, at least it appears that he has the physial ability. Hopefully he'll be one to study tape day and night to catch up to the mental aspect. Put an ability to progress and stick in the pocket with his physical ability is startling.

He sure does. If you designed a robot QB to compete in the NFL, it would look like Newton. Just hope the software works.

[jarhead]

The part that describes the jump from his level of development at Auburn to where it would be as a senior to the NFL is sobering. It is like going from bonehead math to calculus in a year.

And we are going to draft him without the possibility of OTAs, training camp? Whew. How can anyone expect him to be successful before about 2013?

That will be true for most qbs in the draft if they cannot resolve the CBA.Bad year to be picking a qb and if they have an abbreviated training period it wll show

[countryboi]

vince young should not be on that list

[CatMan72]

I wouldn't classify Vick as a failure... he took the Falcons to the NFC championship game and had a pretty darn good season for the Eagles last year.

I would take some Falcon-era Vick right about now. He's no Brady or Manning but they were always in games when he was under center and I think Cam will give us the same "x-factor" Vick gave the Falcons/Eagles.

[MHS831]

I wouldn't classify Vick as a failure... he took the Falcons to the NFC championship game and had a pretty darn good season for the Eagles last year.

I would take some Falcon-era Vick right about now. He's no Brady or Manning but they were always in games when he was under center and I think Cam will gives us the same "x-factor".

He sure changed the way we drafted (Thomas Davis).

[CatMan72]

He sure changed the way we drafted (Thomas Davis).

Yup, he dictated the defensive players we drafted for several years including Peppers... he must have been doing something right?

[CatMan72]

...and Dan Morgan who had a better look at Vick than any of us wanted us to try and get him last year.

[HSCBandit07]

I think it is also important to note that the article does not delve into the player as much as the coach and his scheme. If he were, he would have had to rely mostly on opinions based on tape/interviews with Cam which would have decreased the credibillity of the article. It does, however, leave room to wonder how closely the coach was able to stick to his pure style of offense and not have to adjust to his quarterback. I'm not saying he had to dumb down or make advances in his offense (which if I were to guess I would say he needed to do both in regards to run/pass due to the talent level and experience that Cam brought to the offense).

Bottom line and the conclusion of every Cam discussion I've read through is that Cam has the physique and the talent to be able to evolve into an NFL QB, but his capacity to learn and comprehend an NFL offense is still very much in question. His talent can compensate for a lot, but is he "that guy" that can take his play to the next level, or is he going to have to rely on his physical talent and have the same mental "cap" that M. Vick, V. Young, J. Russell, and others have? The drive and talent are obviously there (you can tell from his coaches rhetoric that drive isn't the problem i.e. J. Russell)... but what kind of QB is Cam Newton really going to be? Can he run the Chud/Rivera offense or not?

[HSCBandit07]

There are still some question marks, some missing links. However, this supports Gabbert as well. These QBs are coming out early, so the importance of the additional year in college cannot be understated. Probably why Locker made his decision. I mean, we all look at him as a moron for staying in, but if he was the second QB taken in 2010, his salary would be millions higher for being the first QB taken in 2011. Bad gamble.

THis is closer to the info that the scouts would consider. However, the fact that 4 out of the last 9 QBs to be drafted first overall is still scary. Which QBs taken #1 overall since 1998 became consistent starters?

The biggest concern to me is the Jump the junior QBs have to make to become a successful NFL QB from being an underclassman. Check out this article on the Junior (or sophomore) QBs making the leap to the NFL in the past 20 years or so. Sobering:

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/04/george-santayana-quotes-unsuccessful-history-drafting-junior-underclassmen-qbs-in-first-round-nfl-draft/

Here is the list:

Successes

•Ben Roethlisberger

•Drew Bledsoe

Failures

•Alex Smith

•Rex Grossman (yes, he made a Super Bowl, but does anyone really consider him anything other than a failure in Chicago?)

•Michael Vick (if maturity is what keeps underclassmen QBs from succeeding, then I think Vick has to be considered a failure despite his flashes of success.)

•Tim Couch

•Ryan Leaf

•Heath Shuler

•Tommy Maddox

•Todd Marinovich

•Jeff George

•Andre Ware

add: Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young

Borderline: Trent Dilfer (I say failure for the most part)

You forgot Claus...:leaving:

[CRA]

...and Dan Morgan who had a better look at Vick than any of us wanted us to try and get him last year.

the man has had 57 concussions.