Gruden's Camp- Blaine Gabbert

[Tarheels23]

I am not saying that Newton can't pass. I am saying that he is a run-first QB. When his first or second read isn't there, he is automatically thinking "RUN". Where he should think, "Ok where is my 3rd progression, or hot read", depending on the play. This is my definition of a run-first QB.

And what do you call this?

[Ricky Spanish]

when i say mobile i mean able to threaten you with the run vick rodgers,big ben,young all included. I'm not even considering cam a "run first qb" that would be a unjust label. Mobile meaning making plays or exstending plays with there legs and arm second. I think you got newton confused with eric crouch or frazier kordell stewart or pat white.

I use mobile because newton is still looking to make the pass he doesn't come out like a running back or fullback looking to run first. thats a unfair term scot. How about i just say dual threat that sound better?

ben rothlisberger is not a mobile QB. he is a fuging mountain that can shrug off tacklers because he's as sturdy as a tree trunk, but he is not mobile. he is very good at improvising and moving in the pocket, but he does not run.

[ncmonzta]

why the hell do people think Gabbert isn't mobile?? Hes more comfortable in the pocket than some others but that doesn't mean he is unable roll out...

i know hes mobile but how is he a better passer than newton when he almost threw 2 times more than newton while newton only had 200 yard less and twice as many TD's with better completion percentage and overall qb rating:confused:

[mav1234]

Haha man, Gabbert at the end looked a bit annoyed by what Gruden was saying

An interesting note is that Gabbert's section was shot way after the others.

I can't wait to see the full things.... I wish I could catch the full 30 minutes of Newton and Gabbert but i don't have ESPNU :(

[micnificent28]

ben rothlisberger is not a mobile QB. he is a fuging mountain that can shrug off tacklers because he's as sturdy as a tree trunk, but he is not mobile. he is very good at improvising and moving in the pocket, but he does not run.

not saying he's blazing fast but he did run a 4.7 same as The Golden Calf of Bristol and everyone considers him a mobile qb. He does seem to exstend and live outside the pocket so i think that counts as being a mobile qb.

[mav1234]

not saying he's blazing fast but he did run a 4.7 same as The Golden Calf of Bristol and everyone considers him a mobile qb. He does seem to exstend and live outside the pocket so i think that counts as being a mobile qb.

4.7?? holy poo, lol. I had thought he was a hair under 5 in the 40.

edit: ahh, pro day he ran a 4.76, combine he ran a 4.94.

amusingly enough, check out this "Negatives" section SI ran on him:

NEGATIVES: A pocket passer with marginal mobility and cannot escape the rush. Must improve his downfield accuracy as well as the placement of the outs. Majority of snaps are taken out of the shotgun.

Then check the summary:

ANALYSIS: A high-character prospect well liked and respected, Roethlisberger is gifted both physically and intellectually. Possesses the skills a franchise can build their team around for a winning future. May not offer early returns but has more upside potential than any other signal-caller in this draft.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2004/draft/players/53419.html

man lol, how wrong they were :)

[mav1234]

i know hes mobile but how is he a better passer than newton when he almost threw 2 times more than newton while newton only had 200 yard less and twice as many TD's with better completion percentage and overall qb rating:confused:

primarily because of the kind of throws he made. Gabbert completed a very high percentage of mid-range vertical passes in his tougher games that are the hallmarks of many NFL offenses. It also has to do with the type of reads he was asked to make, the timing of the passes he threw, etc.

His stats are deceptive because they don't account for the fact that Mizzou was an offense built around exploiting defenses in the red zone to generate rushing touchdowns (they had a higher percentage of rushing touchdowns out of their total number of TDs than even Auburn, despite having nowhere near the production on the ground) Obviously, even with that included, they still weren't the offense Auburn was.

Nobody who likes Gabbert likes him because of his stats, but because of the NFL tools and skills he brings to the table. He's a very cerebral player, he's mobile, he's got a good arm, he's very accurate, he's tough, and he'll do what it takes to win. He takes too many risks sometimes, b ut that can be coached. His pocket presence is the main, huge knock on him. I think downfield accuracy concerns are way overblown and are a product of the kind of offense he ran... but hey, I'm a homer :)

[Mr. Scot]

guys i think that we can meet at a crossroad and say that both gabbert and newton are horrible

I got to that crossroad a long time ago, though I wouldn't necessarily go as far as "horrible". Just not worth the #1 pick.

numbers and tape don't lie

Yes they do.

College stats can be skewed by numerous factors and thus are not especially meaningful to pro evaluations. And Highlight reels can be cut to make pretty much anyone look good.

man lol, how wrong they were :)

In fairness, at the time, they may have been fairly correct. The kinds of changes that happen to a kid going from college to the pros can be unpredictable sometimes.

[Mr. Scot]

There's always an over hyped QB who came out of nowhere to be a top 10 prospect and then ends up failing. Blaine Gabbert is the 2011 version.

Gabbert was a known commodity before this past season.

[ncmonzta]

:rolleyes:

I got to that crossroad a long time ago, though I wouldn't necessarily go as far as "horrible". Just not worth the #1 pick.

Yes they do.

College stats can be skewed by numerous factors and thus are not especially meaningful to pro evaluations. And Highlight reels can be cut to make pretty much anyone look good.

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I dont know if you even care about what you say sometimes. Its not that difficult if the stats say he threw 30 tds he threw 30 tds fug the factors. Unless youre watching some special effect commercial most highlight reels actually happened so stats and tape dont lie. they might not always predict the future but theyre documented facts. some of yall are too smart for your own good

[Mr. Scot]

:rolleyes:

I dont know if you even care about what you say sometimes. Its not that difficult if the stats say he threw 30 tds he threw 30 tds fug the factors. Unless youre watching some special effect commercial most highlight reels actually happened so stats and tape dont lie. they might not always predict the future but theyre documented facts. some of yall are too smart for your own good

Look up the stats that guys like Colt Brennan, Tim Couch and Timmy Chang put up in college.

Then look up where they are now.

[CAVSS]

Im sitting her arguing with myself because i want to go to the gym but if I hit traffic I'll miss this show. :(

[DOMOMAN]

Gabbert reminds me of "Sunshine" from Remember The Titans, only less likable

[mav1234]

One of his nicknames is Sunshine. His teammates love him, he makes friends quickly with guys he practices with... most of the time I think he's impressive in interviews.

He looked like Gruden was getting under his skin though.