Gruden vs King

[Mr. Scot]

Shaun King, that is. Not Peter.

Shaun King says Gruden failed to develop him

Speaking as co-host of The King David Show on WQYK-AM 1010 today, King said Chucky is excellent at breaking down film and has been a successful head coach but the entire premise of the ESPN QB special is garbage.

“I won’t watch it. I disagree with the premise of the show. The premise is that Gruden is some kind of quarterbacks guru and that having him as a destination for a rookie QB is the ideal situation for a rookie and that just hasn’t proven to the case,” said King, who played two seasons under the Chucky regime in Tampa.

King’s point can’t be argued. Chucky has no success record with young quarterbacks, though that surely doesn’t take away from the entertaininment value of the special. Great Xs and Os and squirming draft hopefuls is a stellar mix.

Jon Gruden says "he's right"

We had the final question of the hour. With our Cam Newton and Jake Locker questions already taken, we lived up to Gruden’s negative blogger stereotype and asked about Shaun King’s recent criticism of Gruden.

“I did fail miserably in developing Shaun King and I’m sorry he’ll miss our show,” Gruden said.

We give Gruden credit for the funny response. He didn’t point out that he’s never coached a first-round pick at the position, saying he misses working with quarterbacks and that he could have done a better job developing them.

ESPN’s senior director of communications Bill Hofheimer seemed a little less amused than Gruden as the call wrapped.

“I wish we had a better question to end on,” Hofheimer said.

So does this hurt the credibility of Gruden's "QB Camp" program?

[blackcatgrowl]

Oh JFC... Gruden says we should pick Cam, so now he's being invalidated somehow?

Cmon man....

[TylerVagyler]

If you're against picking Cam, yes.

If you want Cam,no.

[Jackofalltrades]

I value Marriucci's opinion more than Gruden's when it comes to QB, but you have to consider what you're watching and how limited it is.

I don't give it much credibility to start with.

[Mr. Scot]

What the heck does this have to do with Cam Newton? :skep:

Yeesh guys. Get tunnel vision much? :nonod:

Every single thread does not have to be about Newton.

[Dpantherman]

The article is about Gruden's QB Camp and his credibility at critiquing QBs since he never really developed one. Every thread needs a Newton reference, so there has to be one here.

[Edward Teach]

I value Marriucci's opinion more than Gruden's when it comes to QB, but you have to consider what you're watching and how limited it is.

I don't give it much credibility to start with.

Marriucci drafted Giovanni Carmazzi.

[TylerVagyler]

What the heck does this have to do with Cam Newton? :skep:

Yeesh guys. Get tunnel vision much? :nonod:

Oh please, don't play the dumb card.

[Mr. Scot]

The article is about Gruden's QB Camp and his credibility at critiquing QBs since he never really developed one. Every thread needs a Newton reference, so there has to be one here.

Apparently :frown2:

I wasn't aware Newton had a part in the development of Shaun King :sosp:

[Mr. Scot]

Oh please, don't play the dumb card.

I can't. You already played it :nonod:

[chef17]

I thought the article was saying King would have been better if he had a better coach to develop him???

[King Taharqa]

Oh please, don't play the dumb card.

Hes very good at it.

[TylerVagyler]

I can't. You already played it :nonod:

GOOD ONE!!

But come on man, you know my original comment is true. This thread was started literally hours after a separate thread which had a report of Gruden suggesting that we take Cam.

Why did I have to mention Cam? Why not? He is the player who appears to be on the top of our board. He was featured on Gruden's Camp. As said above, there was a thread early today regarding Gruden's opinion on Cam.

The people who are against drafting Cam will run with this as proof that Gruden isn't credible and there is still no good reason to pick Cam.

The people for drafting Cam will say this article is dumb and we should listen to Gruden

anyways.

Just don't act like you didn't know what you were doing when you started this thread.

[Dpantherman]

Maybe thats because both stories came out the same day. Ever thought of that one? Should he have waited until tomorrow to post it? Can we have 1 discussion without Cam? I have been against choosing a side, and I will continue to do so, but enough is enough.