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[rayzor]

Gee how fun. Bargain hunting. How excited I am to hear that!

yeah, this sucks.

they are way under what the cap minimum will probably be and signing all the core players isn't going to even get them there (unless the contracts are heavily front loaded). i wasn't expecting them to get right at the cap ceiling, but i thought they would be willing to take advantage of the massive amount of room they had created. you can't be cheap and win games. yeah, i know going nuts throwing money around doesn't guarantee wins, but you got to pay for talent.

meh....hopefully i'll be happy with the outcome.

[Montie_0123]

Thanks for the info hopefully everything falls into place like your friend said!

[rayzor]

Disappointing to hear the comments about Otah.

fox probably just gave up with him like he did everything else. otah probably needs to have someone with some balls telling him what to do. fox just seemed too passive.

that said, i can see otah being someone that the new coaching staff just doesn't want to bother with, either.

[TheRealDeal]

Vet QB...will it be Matt Moore? Moore will be backing up Newton or starting for the Dolphins is pretty much what he said.

Does your friend have access to other teams inside information as well? I've heard a few other teams mentioned for Moore and hadn't really heard the Dolphins (until I started that rumor) so I'm curious why he thinks Miami over some other teams.

You can NOT dispute his success on the field! So what if he gets in skirmishes with his team mates... You act like you never fought one of your friends before!? It brought them closer and more competitive.

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It's just flat out Gayness!

So what if he gets in skirmishes? Smith is my favorite player in the league but those are not skirmishes. He sucker punched two teammates, one of them when they were on a knee. He also broke someone's face while they were sitting down and got sued for it, it did not bring them closer together at all and didn't make them more competitive.

There is no excuse for his off field actions.

You really need to work on making more concrete arguments if you want to be taken seriously, continually using explanations like "It's just flat out Gayness" isn't going to get people to think "Yeah, that guy really knows what he's talking about"

[TruCatzFan]

You guys should not be disappointed in bargain hunting persay...

We're about to sign the #1 draft pick... Last I checked that's gonna be pretty expensive!

It's imperative that we re-sign the CORE of this team...

Williams, Beason, Kalil, Davis, Johnson... Just to name a few. Also gonna be expensive.

We have the talent here... Yes we need depth and maybe a talent or two (meaning starters) but for the most part that will put us at of very near the cap limit...

You guys need to think realistically here, and realize that we took a big step in the right direction in the draft.

[TheRealDeal]

fox probably just gave up with him like he did everything else. otah probably needs to have someone with some balls telling him what to do. fox just seemed too passive.

that said, i can see otah being someone that the new coaching staff just doesn't want to bother with, either.

Somehow everything is Fox's fault

[jtm]

Everyone take a deep breath. If you look at the top teams year in and year out, they are bargain hunters as well. The teams that pass out million dollar contracts like candy out of a Pez Dispenser, aren't the teams winning championships. Big free agency moves rarely work out. Panthers and their idol the Steelers have always built through the draft.

If we pick up Cofield, a corner, and resign the players mentioned here, I will be very happy. We are retooling and going young and I can imagine that our front office wants Cam to be surrounded by young players he can grow with. We already have one diva on our team, don't need a 2nd.

[bleys]

yeah, this sucks.

they are way under what the cap minimum will probably be and signing all the core players isn't going to even get them there (unless the contracts are heavily front loaded). i wasn't expecting them to get right at the cap ceiling, but i thought they would be willing to take advantage of the massive amount of room they had created. you can't be cheap and win games. yeah, i know going nuts throwing money around doesn't guarantee wins, but you got to pay for talent.

meh....hopefully i'll be happy with the outcome.

I don't know what the next few FA classes look like, but I think it makes sense (especially with an uncertain season coming up) on filling a few holes, sign our talent, and let this year play out..

this 1, uncertain year gives Rivera/coaches time to see where the true issues lie and what positions they need to address in FA and which can be handled through the draft.

certainly it can be said that we have cap room to spend, and one line of thought would assume "let's attack".. I don't know if that means we have to attack this year.

also, once everyone is signed and 1 or 2 FA are signed, we'll know for sure how much cap we are dealing with. We may have a good idea at the moment of how much is available, but we may still be speculating a bit..

[TruCatzFan]

TRD... What is was really trying to say is that his off field incidents are worth his on field production bro. Is it right that he hits people? Absolutely not... I was also adressing the fact that people are so willing to let him walk on the cheap... Not worth it IMO; which doesn't make me right, but I'd love to hear a compelling argument to let him walk other than his indiscretions of the field.

As far as being taken seriously, I think my post count and swag speaks for itself... There is always room for improvement though, and am not too prideful that I can't take constructive criticism. I will work in that ;-)

[Stroupe-a-loop]

You really need to work on making more concrete arguments if you want to be taken seriously, continually using explanations like "It's just flat out Gayness" isn't going to get people to think "Yeah, that guy really knows what he's talking about"

I don't know, if he had a pretty dynamite gif to go along with it, I feel like we would all be on board.

As for our cap situation and signing bargain FAs, I've heard several different sources say we are either right up against the cap after resigning the core and draft picks or that we have near infinite space, so I have no idea what to believe on that front.

[KillerKat]

It's called being tired of not having a DAMNED QB... Tired of mediocrity! You've obviously never played organized sports not to even remotely understand where he was coming from. He's not getting any younger btw...

Whatever...

It's like somebody's signature says on here..

" I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you."

lol the classic "you're wrong because you never played before!" card.

beating 2-3 teammates, requesting a trade, bitching because the rookie WRs aren't kissing your feet only to drop more balls than usual, sulking and bitching on the sidelines is not a leader.

[jtnc]

Otah could be the best Tackle in the NFL, but has never put forth the effort instead his fatass is somewhere shoving his mouth. The fact we traded up for him makes me even more sick.

[TheRealDeal]

TRD... What is was really trying to say is that his off field incidents are worth his on field production bro. Is it right that he hits people? Absolutely not... I was also adressing the fact that people are so willing to let him walk on the cheap... Not worth it IMO; which doesn't make me right, but I'd love to hear a compelling argument to let him walk other than his indiscretions of the field.

As far as being taken seriously, I think my post count and swag speaks for itself... There is always room for improvement though, and am not too prideful that I can't take constructive criticism. I will work in that ;-)

Swag means nothing, especially when you have the popular opinion whether it's wrong or right.

There are many arguments to be made for both sides of the coin with Steve and whether he should stay or go.

He's getting older, he's not the best teacher, he's had a couple injuries now, he might leave for free after this season anyway, etc

He's still productive when Jimmy Clausen and David Carr aren't playing QB, it's not his job to be a mentor, he can teach with his work ethic and plays, not off field stuff, he still has that fire that made him dominant, he's the best receiver we have by a wide margin, his trade value is low so why not keep him and try and work something out instead of giving him up for a 5th, etc

The main argument I can make for shipping him out is getting some value for an unhappy player. Good teams don't let their best players walk for nothing, they either trade them when they know they are going to be gone or they sign them to a new deal. We can't let his deal expire and have him walk for nothing. Absolutely can't have it.

I'd prefer he stay, but I also preferred that we didn't draft a QB so obviously the FO hasn't gotten my letters.

[TruCatzFan]

Killer Kat... You're so right bro... I'm sorry that I ever questioned your infinite wisdom.

*Sarcasm off*

I did notice that you didn't answer any of my questions though. And yes, I pulled the " you've never played before card" because it seems that you haven't.