What does Cam have to do

[teeray]

Great, I'll make it simple for you. Any QB with NEAR the rushing stats in college that Cam had. I'll let you define "near".

Ready, go.

Only if I can use his passing stats and compare those to successful NFL QBs as well.

Rushing yards =/= running QB. He was pretty adept at both forms of quarterbacking.

Why are you only interested in rushing stats??

[Delhommey]

What QB's have had Cam's size, arm strength and athleticism?

[fam4life09]

The Cam show starts NOW!!!!!!!

[Raleighcat83]

Again I did not want to post stats but comparing him to a QB that is not a winner, came from a spread offense like Cam, and hardly played his last year in college, had a worse supporting cast, a worse offense scheme and a worse defense, I expect Cam to put up really good numbers. Guys the NFL has changed, it doesn't take 3-4 years to rebuild anymore, look at Ryan, Flacco, Sanchez, Bradford.

People are just scared he's not that good and want to set the bar low for him.

200 ypg for the best passer in coege football history? Nothing

So you're on the record as saying you didn't want him drafted #1, and on the record later saying Jimmy is the better QB right now, but you also expect he'll put up 200 ypg and more TDs than INTs? You must have had REALLY high expectations for Jimmy Clausen. What should we expect from Clausen if he starts, as you've said he should? 250 ypg? 35 TDs? Super Bowl?

[KJDaniel31]

I have heard a couple people be critical of his throw to Olsen but 99% of rookie QBs don't even attempt that throw and I felt he put it in a good spot to prevent any chance of a pick and gave Olsen a chance to catch it.

Some of the things I liked about Cam's debut was his willingness to attempt certain throws that after watching nearly every rookie so far that 90% of the other rookies would not have even attempted. Was there varied success? Absolutely. Some bad throws?? Sure. But that was true of every QB I have seen this preseason rookie or otherwise.

After the game I mentioned that a lot of rookie QBs would have come out and completed a couple screens, couple crossing routes, maybe a slant, and maybe a roll out dump off and completed 7-8 passes and everyone would have talked about how great they look. Low and behold that is exactly what happened with Locker IMO. And I said that before I had even seen the Tennessee game. I felt like Cam attempted some big boy throws against the Giants even if he missed a couple.

This is getting too long winded but to answer your question "who has looked better" I don't really have an answer bc I haven't seen Jake Locker really do anything to this point.

So if he attempts low % throws, and then doesn't complete them, this is a positive in your mind? Seems to me like you are trying to set yourself up where you can't be wrong:

1. Cam tries "big boy" throws, so no matter what he looks good. Not really sure this makes sense.

2. Jake stays with high % throws, so he hasn't shown you anything?

I'm confused by your last sentence....are you saying you haven't seen Jake's 2nd game? If not, then I would love to discuss it with you, and get your opinion on some "big boy" throws he may have.

[mav1234]

Jimmy Clausen = Superbowl. heard it here first!

[KJDaniel31]

*reads post*

hmmmmmm, jessica, come here. i need you to read this, and tell me what you think of it

My niece isn't here....its a dramatization.

Interesting to see the level you had to go to after that first post you made here. Keep up the good work, you really seem to be bringing something to the discussion!

[TheRealDeal]

I'm just beginning to see the light with Cam...how I missed his greatness for so long and his undeniable game revolutionizing skill is beyond me...we all make mistakes :(

[TheRealDeal]

Raging Bull is a fake ass Fiz with no football knowledge, pay him no mind

[rico6]

Let it all out.

[Marguide]

I'm sure there has only been one named Peyton, so should we avoid that name? How does left handed or right handed affect their skills? Is this really the level you have to sink to in order to justify your homerism? If I sank to this level of desperation I would be so humiliated I'd have to throw my computer in the pool.

Again, we are talking about his SKILLS....those things affect his success, and in turn OURS. I take it you are unable to find any QB with a skill set near Cam's who has enjoyed playoff success?

Your computer should have been wet a long time ago.

My scenario is no more ridiculous than yours. Judging results solely by what has happened in the past is a sure-fire way to insure long term mediocrity.

You choose to focus on the fact that Cam can run and has done so with success. So what, so can your boy Locker. Yet you choose to focus on that aspect of his game and ignore the 66% completion rate or the 30 TDs.

You just don't like Cam for whatever reason, and that's your right. Just don't try to convince us it is because of facts and logic, because you have showed us little of either.

[KJDaniel31]

Only if I can use his passing stats and compare those to successful NFL QBs as well.

Great, so find the most similar QB to Cam, in both passing stats AND rushing stats, and lets discuss. Not sure why you are unable to admit that no QB who ran as much as Cam did in college has ever been successful, but I will give you the latitude here simply so we can finally begin an honest discussion.

Rushing yards =/= running QB. He was pretty adept at both forms of quarterbacking. Why are you only interested in rushing stats??

Except that the stats and history don't back this stance up. My stance is that QBs who run as much as Cam did in college don't develop passing skills nearly as well, which is what causes them to fail in the league.

Cam ran for 1,473 yards in his one year at Auburn. Can you name me the most successful QB who ran for even half of that on average in college?

[teeray]

So if he attempts low % throws, and then doesn't complete them, this is a positive in your mind? If Jake Seems to me like you are trying to set yourself up where you can't be wrong:

1. Cam tries "big boy" throws, so no matter what he looks good. Not really sure this makes sense.

2. Jake stays with high % throws, so he hasn't shown you anything?

I'm confused by your last sentence....are you saying you haven't seen Jake's 2nd game? If not, then I would love to discuss it with you, and get your opinion on some "big boy" throws he may have.

I have seen both of Jake's games and I am not sure why you think he looks "special". He looked fine don't get me wrong but he didn't do anything "special" in either game. I am not trying to take anything away from Locker's first game. But it wasn't like he was out there throwing darts all over the field. He certainly hasn't show me anything to make me feel like he is a better prospect than Cam to this point.

And my point is that Cam looked like he wasn't intimidated by the NFL in his first game. A lot of QBs would have been so scared/nervous that they never would have even attempted that throw to Olsen let alone completed it. So I really like the confidence he had in his arm. I have seen many a QB that comes in to the NFL and just can't pull the trigger. Clausen looks that way from time to time.

Now in the Miami game it was a different story for Cam. But he is a rookie and will make some plays that will wow you and then look completely befuddled on the next play. I have high hopes for Cam but I don't expect him to not look like a rookie this year. It will be very bumpy this year.

[rico6]

KJ got me lol'ing so hard right now.