Rush-to-Judgment after Week One

[PantherFanForLife]

William is not ineffective. Stop that mess. I still think he's the better, smarter and faster of the two. Our run game and O line just sucked this past week.

That made Stewart look a bit better, because he's a little more bulky and was able to push through better. But he's no power runner either. If we fix our O-line play though, Williams will be just fine.

We've always known Williams needed help from the O-line and good blocking so he can bounce it outside. That's just the type of RB he is. I have no idea why we were running him up the middle so much.

[CRA]

In all actuality they both ran well Sunday..We just didn't run the ball a lot.

tough yardage and pass protection.....Stewart is just better. With a rookie QB (not to mention a running one)......where are in for a season of needed pass protection and a runner who can muscle through defenders.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

William is not ineffective. Stop that mess. I still think he's the better, smarter and faster of the two. Our run game and O line just sucked this past week.

That made Stewart look a bit better, because he's a little more bulky and was able to push through better. But he's no power runner either. If we fix our O-line play though, Williams will be just fine.

hmmm...i thought williams was supposed to be the houdini who could make something out of nothing.

so now he needs good online play, and stewart doesn't?

[CRA]

William is not ineffective. Stop that mess. I still think he's the better, smarter and faster of the two. Our run game and O line just sucked this past week.

That made Stewart look a bit better, because he's a little more bulky and was able to push through better. But he's no power runner either. If we fix our O-line play though, Williams will be just fine.

We've always known Williams needed help from the O-line and good blocking so he can bounce it outside. That's just the type of RB he is. I have no idea why we were running him up the middle so much.

Not on person in this thread has said he is ineffective. Have said Stewart looks to deserve more reps, likely is better at this point in there careers overall, is younger, Stewart's strengths might fit what the offense will face this year, and Williams' cash would have been better served elsewhere.

So tell me, at what point in there careers do you think Stewart will be a better RB than Williams. When Williams is 31? You think by then Stewart will finally be a better overall RB for a team?

RBs generally have short windows....and Williams came on late. Which makes his window of being a beast much smaller than most guys around the league.

Stewart not a power runner? Stewart is a power runner.....with speed and agility

[PantherFanForLife]

Not on person in this thread has said he is ineffective. Have said Stewart looks to deserve more reps, likely is better at this point in there careers overall, is younger, Stewart's strengths might fit what the offense will face this year, and Williams' cash would have been better served elsewhere.

So tell me, at what point in there careers do you think Stewart will be a better RB than Williams. When Williams is 31? You think by then Stewart will finally be a better overall RB for a team?

RBs generally have short windows....and Williams came on late. Which makes his window of being a beast much smaller than most guys around the league.

Stewart not a power runner? Stewart is a power runner.....with speed and agility

That's not the point man. The point is our running game just isn't effective enough to feed both of these guys and I highly doubt this will change going forward this season with this O-line. Someone said it's unlikely anyone would take Williams's contract, so the obvious choice would be to trade Stewart. If you can find someone to take Williams, fine, trade Williams. I don't care.

But I don't think being left with Williams and Goodson would be of any serious blow to our team right now, considering how badly we need to patch up the O. I'm just saying if we're stuck with just Williams, we would be fine. And as of right now I still think he's the better, faster more experienced back.

Put it to you this way, if we can fix the O-line, no matter who we decide to keep will give us better run production.

But you can't talk about the run game, and only mention Stewart or Williams, and not the O-line because the problems with the run game goes hand in hand with that. Our run game sucking has little to do with Williams slipping and us needing to use Stewart more because he's the better guy. If that's where ya'll are going with this, count me out!

[CLG]

These discussions are so useless.

[PantherFanForLife]

hmmm...i thought williams was supposed to be the houdini who could make something out of nothing.

so now he needs good online play, and stewart doesn't?

Yes, he needs to play some online Madden.;)

Again, I don't care to talk about Stewart vs Williams too much because I sincerely do not believe adjusting the number of plays from one guy to the other is going to do anything major for this run game as long as our opponent's D's keep getting penetration, and push our line back on run plays. O-line being fixed is for our whole team, not just for Williams. Stewart needs it too, Goodson needs it too, our QB needs it too.

But if I had to make a choice, I'd still take the more limber Williams just because he can bounce outside and out of the way of the on-coming onslaught quicker than Stewart.

[beckersteen]

Say what you want, but they haven't been the same with out a great FB in front of them.

[CRA]

That's not the point man. The point is our running game just isn't effective enough to feed both of these guys and I highly doubt this will change going forward this season with this O-line. Someone said it's unlikely anyone would take Williams's contract, so the obvious choice would be to trade Stewart. If you can find someone to take Williams, fine, trade Williams. I don't care.

But I don't think being left with Williams and Goodson would be of any serious blow to our team right now, considering how badly we need to patch up the O. I'm just saying if we're stuck with just Williams, we would be fine. And as of right now I still think he's the better, faster more experienced back.

Put it to you this way, if we can fix the O-line, no matter who we decide to keep will give us better run production.

But you can't talk about the run game, and only mention Stewart or Williams, and not the O-line because the problems with the run game goes hand in hand with that. Our run game sucking has little to do with Williams slipping and us needing to use Stewart more because he's the better guy. If that's where ya'll are going with this, count me out!

Point is Chud isn't Fox. Now he does like the pound the rock but he isn't offense when ideally working isn't going to produce 2 1100 yard rushers.

again, the only thing crazier than paying Williams at 28 that money would be trading away your 24 yr old stud RB.

Problem w/ having Williams and Goodson as your backs....is Goodson can't even pretend to pass block and Williams just isn't very good at it.

Stewart is the 1 RB Carolina absolutely needs.

DeAngleo was and is simply an expensive luxury. Carolina likely will pay the price for that....if not this season...soon.

[CRA]

Yes, he needs to play some online Madden.;)

Again, I don't care to talk about Stewart vs Williams too much because I sincerely do not believe adjusting the number of plays from one guy to the other is going to do anything major for this run game as long as our opponent's D's keep getting penetration, and push our line back on run plays. O-line being fixed is for our whole team, not just for Williams. Stewart needs it too, Goodson needs it too, our QB needs it too.

But if I had to make a choice, I'd still take the more limber Williams just because he can bounce outside and out of the way of the on-coming onslaught quicker than Stewart.

I agree, it won't do anything MAJOR for the run game. But Stewart helps our pass game more than Williams.....simply b/c he can hold and pick up blocks better.

There isn't much to fix in regards to the OL. Mostly a numbers game. Can't do anything about that except force opponetns to change the bodies they are sending and where they are sending them.

[PantherFanForLife]

Point is Chud isn't Fox. Now he does like the pound the rock but he isn't offense when ideally working isn't going to produce 2 1100 yard rushers.

again, the only thing crazier than paying Williams at 28 that money would be trading away your 24 yr old stud RB.

Problem w/ having Williams and Goodson as your backs....is Goodson can't even pretend to pass block and Williams just isn't very good at it.

Stewart is the 1 RB Carolina absolutely needs.

DeAngleo was and is simply an expensive luxury. Carolina likely will pay the price for that....if not this season...soon.

That's fine but, again, it's in hindsight. Can't undo the contract.

I'm just honestly curious if we would have a buyer on either one before the trade deadline. And if we do, I think we should take it. Either for an O-line trade +cash, or use the money to get us an O man from somewhere else.

[CRA]

Say what you want, but they haven't been the same with out a great FB in front of them.

Stewart and Goodson have both put up decent games without Hoover.....and with the leagues worst passing attack making life near impossible.

[PantherFanForLife]

I agree, it won't do anything MAJOR for the run game. But Stewart helps our pass game more than Williams.....simply b/c he can hold and pick up blocks better.

There isn't much to fix in regards to the OL. Mostly a numbers game. Can't do anything about that except force opponetns to change the bodies they are sending and where they are sending them.

Yeah we can,. We can get bigger, ideally younger, less injury prone guys to replace a couple of ours.

[CRA]

That's fine but, again, it's in hindsight. Can't undo the contract.

I'm just honestly curious if we would have a buyer on either one before the trade deadline. And if we do, I think we should take it. Either for an O-line trade +cash, or use the money to get us an O man from somewhere else.

i think that is debatable. Jake's extension wasn't bad in hindsight...it was just bad. DeAngelo was a luxury move this offseason and the team new ahead of time that with all the holes we had.....we were still fine at RB without him.

Defiantely there would be buyers for Stewart....but Carolina wouldn't part with him. That would be insane. DeAngleo is untradable with his contract IMO.