Hurney (you knew this thread was coming)

[Sam Mills Fan]

Again, if it's a move that more than half the Huddle wanted him to do anyway, that's not an indication of anything.

[mav1234]

Again, if it's a move that more than half the Huddle wanted him to do anyway, that's not an indication of anything.

hurney's a bad Gm because idiots on the huddle want him to trade poo?

[Sam Mills Fan]

I want you guys to name 3 current GMs worse than Marty Hurney. Should be simple since he's so clearly above average right?

[Sam Mills Fan]

hurney's a bad Gm because idiots on the huddle want him to trade poo?

My point is, why should I give Hurney mad mad props for doing something I thought was obvious and more than half the Huddle would have done in drafting Cam Newton? How is that supposed to be something that impresses me when it's exactly what I, someone with no GM experience, would have done?

[Fiz]

I want you guys to name 3 current GMs worse than Marty Hurney. Should be simple since he's so clearly above average right?

Thomas Dimitroff, Jerry Angelo, Bill Devaney

[TylerVagyler]

I don't like Hurney, but he is definitely not in the bottom 5 of GMs.

[mav1234]

jeff ireland is the best GM ever, but only because of what he asked dez bryant.

My point is, why should I give Hurney mad mad props for doing something I thought was obvious and more than half the Huddle would have done in drafting Cam Newton? How is that supposed to be something that impresses me when it's exactly what I, someone with no GM experience, would have done?

so you'd only give credit to hurney for moves you think 50% of the huddle disagrees with?

[panthers55]

My point is, why should I give Hurney mad mad props for doing something I thought was obvious and more than half the Huddle would have done in drafting Cam Newton? How is that supposed to be something that impresses me when it's exactly what I, someone with no GM experience, would have done?

Bull crap. Most of the huddle was dead set against it including all the supposed experts on here, in the media, and the talking heads. We had a number of threads about Nawroski (sp), Mayock and everyone else who thought he was a terrible choice. Most folks here thought he would take years to learn the offense, couldn't read defenses, blah, blah, blah.

You are so full of it your eyes are brown, LOL

[Fiz]

jeff ireland is the best GM ever, but only because of what he asked dez bryant.

he's also terrible because of all his moves.

[antame]

Here's the most damning thing about Hurney. Since we lost to Seattle in the NFC Championship Game:

2006: 8-8 (missed playoffs)

2007: 7-9 (missed playoffs)

2008: 12-4 (lost 1st round of the playoffs)

2009: 8-8 (missed playoffs)

2010: 2-14 (missed playoffs, worst team in the league)

2011: currently 1-5 (missed playoffs, tied for 4th worst team in the league record-wise)

How many "good" GMs can you guys think of that presided over and put the players on the team that have had 5 out of the past 6 seasons be utter disappointments? We're 38-49 since 2005 and that includes a 12-5 season that makes it look better than it is.

John Fox is gone and yet the talent on the roster is even worse than it was last year on defense and special teams. How can you look at all of this and come to any conclusion other than the fact that Marty Hurney is a failure of a GM? You don't even have to list all of Hurney's specific failures like Everette Brown and resigning Jake Delhomme after the Arizona game, just looking at the records should tell the story.

Wow, that is pretty bad. Somehow I'd managed to convince myself that the Panthers have been a good team and "a move or two away" over the years but looking at that it's simply not true.

I don't think there's any sense micro-analyzing individual decisions at this point, the ultimate measure of GM is W-Ls and 5 1/2 years is a large enough sample size to judge fairly.

And if the counter argument is Hurney wasn't the one making the decisions, well...that's an indictment in itself.

[Sam Mills Fan]

Thomas Dimitroff, Jerry Angelo, Bill Devaney

I agree with Angelo. Dimitroff has turned the Falcons into an NFC South perennial contender as much as I hate them. What's the Falcon record under Dimitroff compared to Hurney in the same time? Yeah, let's not go there. And he was the 2010 Executive of the Year. Devaney: Without paying a ton of attention to the Rams, I can see how this one makes sense.

1 definitely worse

1 definitely better

1 arguable

[mav1234]

he's also terrible because of all his moves.

well he didn't draft clausen so he's clearly in the top 31 anyway! har har.

[Fiz]

just a reminder that jeff ireland fired tony sparano assuming he'd hire Jim Harbaugh, then had to give Sparano a raise after Harbaugh turned them down lol

[MaineManPanther]

My point is, why should I give Hurney mad mad props for doing something I thought was obvious and more than half the Huddle would have done in drafting Cam Newton? How is that supposed to be something that impresses me when it's exactly what I, someone with no GM experience, would have done?

The fact that you and others happen to think it was obvious, doesn't actually mean the call was.