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Joudge Clarks view on the panthers

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By Shermdog,
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People clamour for a big receiving TE...we have two of them and both are going to be good for us (providing we ever get around to using the TE much).

Barnidge was known as a good receiving option and a red zone threat at Louisville.

6'6 234lbs

2004: 2 starts in 12 games played. Got 7 recps for 85 yards and 4 TDs

2005: 7 starts 17 recps, 240 yards, 2 TDs

2006: 13 catches, 511 yards, 4 TDs 16.5 yards per catch

2007: 53 recps, 655 yards, 6 TDs

as far as Rosario goes...what we have seen in the past from him is a big play guy. in '07 he showed that in just a couple games. 2 TDs from 6 catches? Not too bad. That first game last year he was clutch and I am inclined to believe that was no fluke. He just was used more for blocking throughout the year and we ran the ball in successfully. Rushing is always a better option than passing in red zone situations if you can do both. Rosario last year had 31 targets and 18 recps for 209 yards and a TD. 11 of those 18 receptions resulted in 1st downs.

Jeff King, last year, had 33 targets and 21 catches for 195 yards and 1 TD. 8 of those catches were 1st downs. Why is he the starter, then? It isn't because he is more reliable than Rosario. Probably because of blocking...the primary use for a TE in our offense.

If Banidge packs on some muscle this offseason I can easily see him getting a lot more PT. The same thing is true for Rosario. If he can get more disciplined and both of them improve their blocking, we will see a lot more of them. I expect there will be an open competition for TE this year.

The best blocker will still most likely be the starter.

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