Keeping your head on straight in the face of adversity does not mean you like losing.

[Actionman0z]

At some point pros have to be pros. or they can start being like us. :) Moral victories only last so long. Year after year, we watch and see the Panthers find ways to hurt themselves, the play to me that summed up the game was the zip/smoke route that Chris Gamble had sniffed out on 3-8/12, and Percy Harvin broke the tackle and got a first down. they scored. Ball game over.

[chef17]

This thread gets the same responses every week it is posted. Yours will be no different

[God]

sup

[jtnc]

There have always been fans that overreact, but I swear Madden has tripled the baby factor in fans.

Or maybe we're tired of losing? Everyone doesn't react the way you react or how you think we should react after a loss.

[Swarly]

really though good post but as said already, it's not worth the time trying to convince a bunch of guys that legitimately believe every player on our roster is the best, every draft pick will be a steal, every year we will go 16-0, etc. every team has delusional fans and it's best to just ignore them, because trying to talk sense to them will drive you insane.

[Jangler]

Or maybe we're tired of losing? Everyone doesn't react the way you react or how you think we should react after a loss.

I thinks it's more about the instant gratification attitude a lot of people have in this country.

[Pantherball]

Let's be clear about something. The buzzword(s) floating around this site since week two is "moral victory." if you try to bring up something positive about the future of the team, multiple adolescent posts pop up hurling wild accusations of "supporting losers" and "cheering for moral victories."

While asking where moral victories are recorded in NFL history may make you look pithy and wise and pad your rep with fourth-tier retard posters, the reality is you're missing the point entirely. No one cares about moral victories. I have not seen one post on this site that said we should take comfort in moral victories. That type of sentiment is simply not there.

The bottom line is this: just because a given poster isn't freaking out and calling for a olindo mare to be guillotined on mint street tomorrow doesn't mean that they have accepted losing. Denying that ron rivera is a little rat scurrying away to hide behind newton doesn't mean you are blind. Projecting talent development into the future doesn't mean you are happy with losing because there was a "moral victory" involved.

It means you have the foresight to understand that anything worth having does not come easy and that the road to greatness in ANYTHING is strewn with failure and shortcomings. No great man has ever graced the pages of history without first defeating repetitive failure; football is no different.

Some of you desperately need to apply this wisdom to your personal lives because daaaaamn.

I can see this is partialy addressed at one of my comments, so I guess I'll humor you.

The bottom line is you're right about that part. So you should be a little concerned when the man in question doesn't yet know how to deal with loss and doesn't really have a history of this in football.

Handling failure itself or greatness itself isn't ever the issue. It's the FALL itself and the RISE back up. It's when you're all the way on top...and you fall all the way to the bottom. That's what's hard to handle. Cam Newton's only really dealt with winning when it comes to football. By his own admission, he doesn't know how to do this.

It's usually a lot easier and guys get better at this, who kind of deal with it in moderate amounts throughout their lives. Who have already overcome losses and learned to deal with it and peak later in life. Right now, I would go as far as to say, even guys like Jimmy Clausen has at least proven he can do that, on a personal and emotional level anyway. Whether he ever gets to start again and overcomes it on a professional level, is a different story. It remains to be seen if Cam can handle either.

The most ironically hypocritical part of what you wrote is that you understand that greatness doesn't come easy, yet you apply it as a label at will, even in the face of contradicting evidence, and attack those that are just as much foresight to tell you: "slow down. there's something wrong about that now. we can't say that anymore."

The next most ironically hypocritical part is that you don't know that the biggest mistake people make is that they believe you have to waste time at the bottom once you have hit it. Like it's some kind of requirement for overcoming failure. It's not. It's called a rut. And overcoming failure means breaking free of that rut, not moping around and waiting for things to get better. THEY NEVER DO! The overcoming that rut is what leads to greatness. The time spent at the bottom, in that rut, is just a waste of time. You get no benefit from being there 20 years versus a guy that's only been there 1 day. Because what matters, is the overcoming that and the rise back to the top. To do that you have to figure it out and when it comes to this: the quicker you figure it out, the better off you are. You get no extra credit for taking longer.

Tom Brady and the Patriots overcame their major Superbowl loss to the Giants after their perfect season in less than 6 months. They wouldn't have gotten any additional props or cool points, or come out any stronger, if it would have taken them 3 years to come back to a winning season again. We have still yet to recover from the Delhomme playoff meltdown, though Matt Moore had us on the right track the next year towards the end.

But the first stage of everything you just wrote in dealing with failure, and breaking out of the rut is overcoming denial. So when it comes to our fans: 2-6 and an inability to put the game away in 6 tries should be your wake-up call to stop making excuses. How long it's going to take some fans to come around to that, nobody knows.

So here's my quote in response to that: Complacency leads to mediocrity. Mediocrity leads to misery. Misery loves company.

What leads to success is your experience in dealing with it swiftly, not being patient with it and wasting time hanging around!

There's a saying in sales that's never failed to prove its truth: how do you get over the rut of not selling anything? You sell something. Winning is the same thing. It's contagious. The more you win the better you get at it. Rookie, back-ups, etc, doesn't matter. The more you loose, the more you wait.....well see my quote and see our record.

[Marguide]

Handling failure itself or greatness itself isn't ever the issue. It's the FALL itself and the RISE back up. It's when you're all the way on top...and you fall all the way to the bottom. That's what's hard to handle. Cam Newton's only really dealt with winning when it comes to football. By his own admission, he doesn't know how to do this.

It's usually a lot easier and guys get better at this, who kind of deal with it in moderate amounts throughout their lives. Who have already overcome losses and learned to deal with it and peak later in life. Right now, I would go as far as to say, even guys like Jimmy Clausen has at least proven he can do that, on a personal and emotional level anyway. Whether he ever gets to start again and overcomes it on a professional level, is a different story. It remains to be seen if Cam can handle either.

Yeah, if only Cam could be more like Clausen. That's exactly what he needs to do.

I never neg rep people, at least until now, but after reading your nonsense, post after post, I am proud to do it in this case.

You can create as many alts as you like, but you can't become more credible in the process.

[Catalyst]

I understand what he's saying. You have to learn how to deal with losing when/if it happens because a guy like Cam is so used to winning that it's tough on him.

Still, nobody should expect him to just shrug his shoulders after a loss because that's not what the great ones do. Cam just hasn't quite learned how to put on a face for the media after a loss yet.

[Pantherball]

Yeah, if only Cam could be more like Clausen. That's exactly what he needs to do.

I never neg rep people, at least until now, but after reading your nonsense, post after post, I am proud to do it in this case.

You can create as many alts as you like, but you can't become more credible in the process.

Yes because that's what I said. :rolleyes: Do you think taking someone's comments and purposely spinning them into something else gives you any credibility? Straw man arguments don't give anyone credibility.

Sometimes I wonder the age of some of the posters because some of you act so immature. Winning a straw man argument isn't winning at all and neither are moral victories. And then you threaten with negative rep as if it was something meaningful.

[Hairless Cat]

Let's be clear about something. The buzzword(s) floating around this site since week two is "moral victory." if you try to bring up something positive about the future of the team, multiple adolescent posts pop up hurling wild accusations of "supporting losers" and "cheering for moral victories."

While asking where moral victories are recorded in NFL history may make you look pithy and wise and pad your rep with fourth-tier retard posters, the reality is you're missing the point entirely. No one cares about moral victories. I have not seen one post on this site that said we should take comfort in moral victories. That type of sentiment is simply not there.

The bottom line is this: just because a given poster isn't freaking out and calling for a olindo mare to be guillotined on mint street tomorrow doesn't mean that they have accepted losing. Denying that ron rivera is a little rat scurrying away to hide behind newton doesn't mean you are blind. Projecting talent development into the future doesn't mean you are happy with losing because there was a "moral victory" involved.

It means you have the foresight to understand that anything worth having does not come easy and that the road to greatness in ANYTHING is strewn with failure and shortcomings. No great man has ever graced the pages of history without first defeating repetitive failure; football is no different.

Some of you desperately need to apply this wisdom to your personal lives because daaaaamn.

makes too much sense for the whiners

[Hairless Cat]

I thinks it's more about the instant gratification attitude a lot of people have in this country.

or the entitlement mentality

they got a Panthers t shirt for their birthday and turned the tv on to watch the game and therefor deserve to see the Panthers win.

[CatMan72]

We've got a QB, that's what I take away from each of these losses... everything else will fall into place sooner or later.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Writing a book without actually saying anything?

PantherFanForLife alt spotted.