Cam vs Tim

[Jangler]

[MWCarolina]

Agreed. but this thread needs to be ridiculed.

Especially when we have people actually saying that The Golden Calf of Bristol is a better QB than Newton. i am a HUGE The Golden Calf of Bristol fan and want him to be better than Newton, but the fact remains is he's not.

[Moose87Banks]

Would u trade Cam for The Golden Calf of Bristol if it ment winning in the broncos fashion?

Off with this guy's head!

[Kevin Greene]

[Jangler]

[teeray]

Pie because that looks a lot like my French Bulldog.

[Chaos]

[PaulSoleil]

people keep saying the SAME Thing. "Look at what Cam has on offense" but fail to ask, "look at what Cam has on defense." why is that???? and your Andy Dalton line is just funny. Dalton has Jermaine Gresham (young pass catching TE), AJ Green (rookie WR with a ton of promise), Simpson (young WR who came on strong last year when Owens and Ochocinco were hurt and is now turning into a great 2nd WR), Cedric Benson and Andre Caldwell (a good 3rd WR) and that's not to mention that Jordan Shipley is on IR, those WRs are better than Cam's WRs and i havent even gotten into what Dalton has on defense. NOW i agree that The Golden Calf of Bristol doesnt have much talent on offense, BUT on defense, he has a ton of talent there.

okay, i'll give you that. but you need to realize this offense is the best cam's ever gonna get. it's only gonna be worse next year.

dalton does have young, unproven talent, so maybe in the long haul they'll prove to be the caliber of steve smith, who knows. that's a guessing game, but right now, no one outside cincy even recognizes those names.

and be honest, smith is amazing. i'm not a fan of his and i'll say he's great and super tough. olsen and shockey (when healthy) both pro-bowlers are really sure handed. (you should have seen the denver game today...my friend's sister could have caught the ball better than those receivers over there)

cam is lucky that the front office is good and they designed around him and gave him a great cushion of talent.

maybe i'm the only one, but honestly, with that much talent, I personally would expect more than 4 wins. is anyone else disappointed or is everyone just giving him a pass because he's a rook?

[KillerKat]

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[Kevin Greene]

[mav1234]

okay, i'll give you that. but you need to realize this offense is the best cam's ever gonna get. it's only gonna be worse next year.

Why do you think that?

We are getting back our 2nd best receiver from injury, we should be getting back a better OL, and on top of that, Cam himself will be much improved with another year under his belt. While he may have a "sophmore slump," saying this is the best offense Cam will ever get is probably wrong.

[Showtime]

okay, i'll give you that. but you need to realize this offense is the best cam's ever gonna get. it's only gonna be worse next year.

dalton does have young, unproven talent, so maybe in the long haul they'll prove to be the caliber of steve smith, who knows. that's a guessing game, but right now, no one outside cincy even recognizes those names.

and be honest, smith is amazing. i'm not a fan of his and i'll say he's great and super tough. olsen and shockey (when healthy) both pro-bowlers are really sure handed. (you should have seen the denver game today...my friend's sister could have caught the ball better than those receivers over there)

cam is lucky that the front office is good and they designed around him and gave him a great cushion of talent.

maybe i'm the only one, but honestly, with that much talent, I personally would expect more than 4 wins. is anyone else disappointed or is everyone just giving him a pass because he's a rook?

I'm very disappointed and don't buy into the excuses. I know we have a lot of talent on offense, and one of the best receivers in the league. We should have more than 4 wins, and we would have more than 4 wins at this point with a veteran QB under center and this amount of talented players on offense. I expected this type of performance from a rookie, but unlike most, I'm not happy about it. It's two years in a row making the same bonehead move. It's ok to try something new and see what happens. When you do the same bonehead mistake twice in a row, and not only not learn from it, but continue ignoring the problem and making excuses for it, it's pretty sickening and makes one bitter.

*My comments do not represent the sentiments of this fan base.

[Kevin Greene]

I'm very disappointed and don't buy into the excuses. I know we have a lot of talent on offense, and one of the best receivers in the league. We should have more than 4 wins, and we would have more than 4 wins at this point with a veteran QB under center and this amount of talented players on offense. I expected this type of performance from a rookie, but unlike most, I'm not happy about it. It's two years in a row making the same bonehead move. It's ok to try something new and see what happens. When you do the same bonehead mistake twice in a row, and not only not learn from it, but continue ignoring the problem and making excuses for it, it's pretty sickening and makes one bitter.

*My comments do not represent the sentiments of this fan base.

Trying so hard.

[MWCarolina]

okay, i'll give you that. but you need to realize this offense is the best cam's ever gonna get. it's only gonna be worse next year. dalton does have young, unproven talent, so maybe in the long haul they'll prove to be the caliber of steve smith, who knows. that's a guessing game, but right now, no one outside cincy even recognizes those names.

(you should have seen the denver game today...my friend's sister could have caught the ball better than those receivers over there)

maybe i'm the only one, but honestly, with that much talent, I personally would expect more than 4 wins. is anyone else disappointed or is everyone just giving him a pass because he's a rook?

no one is giving him a pass, but they realize that this defense is just flat out awful, ADD to that, Mare is (in my book) the worst starting field goal kicker in the league. he has missed clutch kicks all year long and today was another example. Cam has shown talent and his interceptions will tone down in the future. as for the cap, i think those numbers will go down when we shed some highly paid players like Otah and likely Thomas Davis who cant stay healthy and then re-sign others. As for no one outside of Cincy knowing those names. Benson was a HIGH pick who is known, Simpson is more underrated, Shipley (when healthy) is known, AJ Green IS known and in my book will be as good as Smith. he's a rookie and has size and speed. As for Denver, i understand they have poor WRs, but it's clear to me that Newton is a better passer, he goes through progressions better than i have seen from The Golden Calf of Bristol, though i do think The Golden Calf of Bristol can and will be a better passer in the future.