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Is Steve Smith a Hall of Famer right now?

Cary Kollins

By Cary Kollins,
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Is he a Hall of Famer right now? No, he's not.

Could he be with this offense and Cam? Maybe. If he stays healthy. It would also help him, this late in his career, for his to find a guy to draw double coverages off of him, helping him get one-on-one coverage.

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Let me ask you something. Are you mentally deficient? Honest question. Do you struggle with basic mathematics?

Let me explain to you, as simplified for your simple mind as I can possibly do.

Andre Reed has 951 career receptions. Andre Reed played 16 years.

Steve Smith has 699 career receptions. Steve Smith has played 11 seasons.

That's a difference (that's what you get when you subtract two numbers) of 252.

*Gasp*

If Steve Smith plays as long as Reed plays-which he has publicly stated he would like to do- there is nothing to suggest he won't pass Reed. That's an average of 50 catches a year.

Now let me elaborate further- Steve Smith doesn't have to have 50 catches every year to pass 951. If he has 75 catches next year, he only needs 25 in a later year.

Andre Reed is tenth on the NFL's all time leading receptions list. Do you know what that means if Smith passes him?

Steve Smith is in the top ten (and, btw, Receptions isn't even Smith's strong stat-it's receiving yards)

Now let's evaluate the surrounding factors around Steve Smith?

Elite QB? Look that way.

Offense that favors him? Indeed.

Super Bowl ring? Got a chance.

Signature playoff moment? Done

Signature career moment? Finished

He has. A. Chance. A decent chance. That's the argument I'm making. To dispute it Grass-Is-Always-Greener-Mentality.

"But But But Cat'sGrowl! This is Andre Reed, it doesn't matter if he passes him! I loooved Reed so much when I was young!"

Ah, so all Smith has to do is pass Andre Reed to get in, right?

Forget that Cris carter, who has 1100 receptions and near 14000 yards, isn't in yet.

Nevermind that Tim Brown, with near 1100 receptions, close to 15000 yards receiving (near 20000 all purpose) and was constantly in the top receivers every year, still isn't in yet.

Unimportant that Isaac Bruce, who has over 1000 receptions, 15000 yards, and a Super Bowl ring will be eligible shortly (as will teammate Torry Holt).

And it must be understood that whether Smith was one of the best of the last ten years means nothing. Only what he does in the next four will actually be taken into consideration.

No worries about who else will be eligible at receiver and other positions at the time Smith comes up. That doesn't matter.

All he has to do is pass Andre Reed, and you can start measuring him for his jacket.

Sound logic there. I had no idea it would be that easy :thumbsup:

I mean after all, the only thing Kevin Greene had to do to get in was pass several Hall of Famers in stats and he got in on the first ballot, right?

Didn't he? :sosp:

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Brandon Lafell has a chance to make the HoF. For math illiterate mouth breathers out there...If he posts similar numbers like he did this year for the next 25 years he will be a shoe in!

I've got to run some errands but was holding off until this argument had been won.

This post directly reassured me that it has. Peace!

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And oh yeah, Randy Moss has 954 career receptions. If he passes Reed-he's passing Moss.

Randy Moss was also a 5-time All-Pro, Rookie of the Year, an All-Decade Player, has 153 TDs, almost 15,000 yards, and the record for most receiving TDs in a single season.

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Ah, so all Smith has to do is pass Andre Reed to get in, right?

Forget that Cris carter, who has 1100 receptions and near 14000 yards, isn't in yet.

Nevermind that Tim Brown, with near 1100 receptions, close to 15000 yards receiving (near 20000 all purpose) and was constantly in the top receivers every year, still isn't in yet.

Unimportant that Isaac Bruce, who has over 1000 receptions, 15000 yards, and a Super Bowl ring will be eligible shortly (as will teammate Torry Holt).

And it must be understood that whether Smith was one of the best of the last ten years means nothing. Only what he does in the next four will actually be taken into consideration.

No worries about who else will be eligible at receiver and other positions at the time Smith comes up. That doesn't matter.

All he has to do is pass Andre Reed, and you can start measuring him for his jacket.

Sound logic there. I had no idea it would be that easy :thumbsup:

I mean after all, the only thing Kevin Greene had to do to get in was pass several Hall of Famers in stats and he got in on the first ballot, right?

Didn't he? :sosp:

You're a joke, Scot. You sincerely are. You try to maintain this false guise of objectivity, but you've been exposed over the past year and it's been a beautiful thing to watch.

You are no different than any other Huddler. When one argument get's destroyed, you run to another one. I brought up Andre Reed, because that's one of the key names you kept running to. Once that was brought down, rather than accepting your folly, you simply altered your argument to try and save face.

And oh, btw, Smith is 4656 yards away from Brown, who got it in 16 seasons. That's an average of 931 yards a season. So if Smith gets 1300 next season then..Well, surely you know the routine by now.

But nah, brah, no chance he gets in. I mean, let's just be realistic, right??

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Hell Wes Welker is 2 years younger and has 50 less catches than Smith. They will be tied next year in receptions if Smith catches 70 balls and Welker catches 120 LIKE THEY DID THIS YEAR. but but but...I win at internet. lol

And this is where additional factors come in? Would you take Welker over Smith? Of course not.

You think the voters are too stupid to not realize what we know?

If you directly compared Smith to Welker, factoring in everything-you'd have to list Welker as a system receiver with a Hall of Famer at QB in a throw first offense. Smith is, and has, none of those.

More than the stats.

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You're a joke, Scot. You sincerely are. You try to maintain this false guise of objectivity, but you've been exposed over the past year and it's been a beautiful thing to watch.

You are no different than any other Huddler. When one argument get's destroyed, you run to another one. I brought up Andre Reed, because that's one of the key names you kept running to. Once that was brought down, rather than accepting your folly, you simply altered your argument to try and save face.

And oh, btw, Smith is 4656 yards away from Brown, who got it in 16 seasons. That's an average of 931 yards a season. So if Smith gets 1300 next season then..Well, surely you know the routine by now.

But nah, brah, no chance he gets in. I mean, let's just be realistic, right??

Thought you already won this debate :D

But hey, at least you're not resorting to personal attacks or anything, right? I mean, after all, that's a clear sign of a weak argument.

And again, if getting in is as simple as a math problem, how come Kevin Greene isn't in when a guy who has ten fewer sacks than him and no Super Bowl ring (Greene has one as a coach) is?

Yeah, you're right. Smitty's a lock :rolleyes:

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Thought you already won this debate :D

But hey, at least you're not resorting to personal attacks or anything, right? I mean, after all, that's a clear sign of a weak argument.

And again, if getting in is as simple as a math problem, how come Kevin Greene isn't in when a guy who has ten fewer sacks than him and no Super Bowl ring (Greene has one as a coach) is?

Yeah, you're right. Smitty's a lock :rolleyes:

Show me where I said this and I'll concede this argument.

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