Dre.

[MadHatter]

No, highlights on youtube are highlights bro. I went to a friend who records bama games, and is a die hard fan, and watched a few of the games from each season he's played.

Not saying he can't....just that his physical attributes and strengths appear to translate better to a zone scheme than a man scheme.

I think he will be fine in either.

[Actionman0z]

We aren't saying he can't do it (meaning man coverage), we are just saying it isn't one of his strong suits. It's something he'll have to work on. That's all we have ever been saying. He has more potential and upside than Claiborne and Jenkins but his production thus far as a cover corner has not been as high, for whatever reason.

And to think he has shown he can do both man and zone equally well is not accurate. He excels better in zone and I'm not sure why you haven't seen that.

Not opposed to selecting him, but I rate Mo and Janoris above him.

Fair enough. I think that he has more upside based on his physical attributes than Jenkins, even if (and I dont think so) that Jenkins is better than him right now.

[Peppers90 NC]

If hes available in the 2nd I wouldnt mind the pick.

Oh you wouldnt mind that huh? Well thats a relief.

[MadHatter]

Saw on PFT how Charley Casserly ( I know....just another talking head) was saying that Dre did not wow at the combine. His 40 time was good, but he did not look quick and fluid in the drills.

Thought it was an interesting perspective.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/29/alabama-prospects-upshaw-and-kirkpatrick-dont-wow-at-combine/

[Actionman0z]

I saw that also, and thought it was interesting that other guys had different opinions while the drills were going on.

[HeatCheck]

Saw on PFT how Charley Casserly ( I know....just another talking head) was saying that Dre did not wow at the combine. His 40 time was good, but he did not look quick and fluid in the drills.

Thought it was an interesting perspective.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/29/alabama-prospects-upshaw-and-kirkpatrick-dont-wow-at-combine/

That really shouldn't be something new. That's why he'll have to work on man coverage. He is so lanky that it takes more for him to turn and adjust to the wideout.

[MadHatter]

That really shouldn't be something new. That's why he'll have to work on man coverage. He is so lanky that it takes more for him to turn and adjust to the wideout.

Exactly....taller guys usually have issues with quick and fluid hips.

[rayzor]

Saw on PFT how Charley Casserly ( I know....just another talking head) was saying that Dre did not wow at the combine. His 40 time was good, but he did not look quick and fluid in the drills.

Thought it was an interesting perspective.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/29/alabama-prospects-upshaw-and-kirkpatrick-dont-wow-at-combine/

that's kind of the perception i got from a lot of analysts. he didn't really screw anything up or make himself look bad, he just didn't impress as much as people thought. they were looking for that wow factor and it just wasn't there, esp. when compared to janoris jenkins and a couple others.

he's a rangy cover guy. he's not as much of "in the WRs back pocket" type corner. he's not as fluid. he's quick and can get where he's supposed to be in a zone better than most, but man and off-man coverage he struggles a bit. i think he could be a pro-bowl CB early in a cover 2 D and as a FS he'd likely be a perennial all-pro. stick him in a cover1 or cover0 and he's going to struggle for a while.

[Actionman0z]

I think he will be fine, Jenkins once he gets paid, no thanks.. gonna be a pac-man like story. I think he'd be someone to take a gamble on, just not for our program. I am tired of hearing about this guy. No thanks. I think he is off our board.

[rayzor]

I think he will be fine, Jenkins once he gets paid, no thanks.. gonna be a pac-man like story. I think he'd be someone to take a gamble on, just not for our program. I am tired of hearing about this guy. No thanks. I think he is off our board.

if he had the same problems at north alabama he had at florida then i might be in agreement, but that simply just hasn't been the case.

all indications are that he's cleaned up and hasn't had any problems whatsoever with drugs since being there. he's had lots of drug tests and passed them all.

as far as all his kids are concerned, they are all with the same woman.

his turnaround is much in the same way cam's was only more dramatic, but it's also going to be harder for people to buy. once teams put the effort into checking him out since leaving florida and after talking to him and people he lives with and works with they will see he has turned his life around.

now cliff harris is another story. if you are going to put someone in the same category with pacman, cliff harris is the guy you want to be worried about.

btw...if you mention jenkins getting suspended at north florida, i'll mention it was only for a half game and it was for throwing a punch in a fight. nothing in his career has shown that to be an ongoing problem. it was an isolated incident.

[HeatCheck]

The best thing for Janoris might have been going to NA.

[LinvilleGorge]

Saw on PFT how Charley Casserly ( I know....just another talking head) was saying that Dre did not wow at the combine. His 40 time was good, but he did not look quick and fluid in the drills.

Thought it was an interesting perspective.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/29/alabama-prospects-upshaw-and-kirkpatrick-dont-wow-at-combine/

I would kind of inclined to listen to the analysis of Casserly and Matt Millen and try to do the opposite of what they say - especially Millen.

I can't believe ESPN tries to pass that guy off as an "expert". 0-16. Wow. I could do that as GM with you coaching and a bunch of Huddlers filling out the roster. I'm 100% confident we could go 0-16.

[Actionman0z]

if he had the same problems at north alabama he had at florida then i might be in agreement, but that simply just hasn't been the case.

all indications are that he's cleaned up and hasn't had any problems whatsoever with drugs since being there. he's had lots of drug tests and passed them all.

as far as all his kids are concerned, they are all with the same woman.

his turnaround is much in the same way cam's was only more dramatic, but it's also going to be harder for people to buy. once teams put the effort into checking him out since leaving florida and after talking to him and people he lives with and works with they will see he has turned his life around.

now cliff harris is another story. if you are going to put someone in the same category with pacman, cliff harris is the guy you want to be worried about.

btw...if you mention jenkins getting suspended at north florida, i'll mention it was only for a half game and it was for throwing a punch in a fight. nothing in his career has shown that to be an ongoing problem. it was an isolated incident.

I am a Ducks Season ticket holder, and to say that Jenkins has cleaned up and Cliff Harris hasnt, would be silly because you do not know either one. Both I would assume are in the same boat. But what you are doing, is saying that one is "better" for changing colleges and is a first round talent, the other who could have been a first round talent got dismissed from the team after driving with a suspended license and no insurance. Its apples to apples really, talent not withstanding. Both are too much of a risk at #9... and leave it to some other program to select Jenkins. Problems are worth the risk in later rounds whether they be off the field, injuries, academics, etc. You stand up for Jenkins because of the talent level, and the funny thing is, is you do not know either one, so you are talking out of your a$$, and making assumptions.

[HeatCheck]

I think what rayzor is saying that Cliff had problems and was suspended his last season and that's what fresh on people's minds. I guess it's not the fairest way to judge but it is what it is. Janoris passed drug tests and was clean his final collegiate season for all intents and purposes. He has shown that he has at least attempted to reconcile his past. Plus Janoris is a better CB than Harris making it "less" of a risk.

I do agree it is a risk, which could turn badly. But it's a risk I'd be willing to take because of the talent he possesses. Really it's going to come down to the FO to decide. We obviously haven't sat down and spoke to either of them to judge their current character. But it does seem like NA matured Jenkins.