Could "the list" have been a bluff?

[carolinarolls]

I think "fulfill my potential" really means "put a ring on my finger before I retire".

yep

no questioning that as far as I'm concerned

I think his "list" leak was to let the panthers know that if they are considering making that goal difficult for him, he was going to play hardball and loyalty was going to go out of the window.

That was the intent of the leak. Not necessarily team direction or anything specific, but that he felt he deserved to do it his way and if he did not get it, he was going to make it difficult on them. So far he has followed through no matter how much it may be hurting him in the process.

[rayzor]

Kraft: If Taylor wants to be a Patriot, it could happen

Posted: May 1, 2009

Sporting News staff reports

Patriots owner Robert Kraft says if free-agent defensive end Jason Taylor wants to play in New England, it's a strong possibility, the Boston Globe reports.

Kraft's team has reached out to Taylor this week to see if he's interested.

The Patriots are in need of a pass-rushing linebacker and Taylor, who was released by the Washington Redskins in February following an injury-plagued season, could fill that hole. (linky)

options dwindling....carey? whatcha gonna do?

[carolinarolls]

options dwindling....carey? whatcha gonna do?

lmao at any fool thinking Carey is in a pinch

[rayzor]

lmao at any fool thinking Carey is in a pinch

i was wondering how long it was going to take for you to resort to insults and giving carey/peppers more credit than they deserve.

[carolinarolls]

i was wondering how long it was going to take for you to resort to insults and giving carey/peppers more credit than they deserve.

well now you don't have to wonder any longer.

So spend your time a little wiser now and try to explain why believing that Carey is in a worse position than Hurney is NOT being foolish.

I am on pins and needles waiting...

[rayzor]

well now you don't have to wonder any longer.

So spend your time a little wiser now and try to explain why believing that Carey is in a worse position than Hurney is NOT being foolish.

I am on pins and needles waiting...

you'll have to keep on waiting because you have closed your mind a long time ago to any possibility that hurney put the panthers in a better situation than peppers/carey put themselves in.

myself and others have been saying for a long time why the panthers are in a better situation and the way things are unfolding are only showing that to be the case.

[DaveThePanther2008]

It kills me that some are so negative or blind about the situation. Peppers (or Casey) put him in a situation where they thought they had Carolina by the Balls. Think that we were just going to hand him off to New England for next to nothing. In mid March when the rumor that NE/Carolina(Carey) had deal for Peppers. The word was NE was gonna give us #34 and that was it. Carey must have thought "No way" we pass up this deal. When we gave the "I haven't heard anything" response. Carey was dumbfounded. I don't think he knew how negoitate especially with a master like Bilicheat. Hurney wasn't budging and rightly so.

So now Peppers sits with a trade and Carolina is willing to sit it out with him. So I would say CAROLINA has the upper hand.

[carolinarolls]

you'll have to keep on waiting because you have closed your mind a long time ago to any possibility that hurney put the panthers in a better situation than peppers/carey put themselves in.

myself and others have been saying for a long time why the panthers are in a better situation and the way things are unfolding are only showing that to be the case.

reads: "I can't back up what my mouth is shitting"

[carolinarolls]

peppers has a contract

peppers has a 30%+ raise

peppers is not subject to trade speculation in the media

peppers is not being shopped all over the NFL in the media

peppers is not at risk to have to "block" a trade

peppers is free to negotiate with anybody HE chooses

..all because of his agent

Carey is not in a tight spot, not nearly as tight of a spot he would be if he had to spin control Peppers defiance to go somewhere not to his liking if Hurney set it up. It's not ideal for the peppers camp but it is the lesser of the two evil scenarios that they were forced to choose between when Hurney tagged them.

My mind is not closed. You- any of you who can make a case why Peppers should sign that tender I'll listen.

Nobody has done it yet.

[SKULL]

Option #8

It was all a ROUSE!!

Peppers was tired of the same ole defensive schems.

He knew in order to get changes something drastic had to be done .

Notice how the media hyped the Peppers wants out to play a 3-4 defense was all over the papers for a short period.

Panthers fire DC

Bring in MEEKS

fire a few more coaches

Go into draft defense first 2 rounds

Peppers comes in motivated and has a great season,players are excited to have Peppers back and play Above & Beyond

Defense ranks in top 3 Panthers go to Super Bowl

If Peppers really wanted out , an Agent would have worked his Arse off to get it done .

[MrBubba]

Last option or sitch,

Peppers is a drama queen that is enabled by Carey. Both thought Peppers was the greatest thing since sliced bread and that every team would beat down their doors to do a trade. But making the big deal about playing in a 3-4 is stupid. He was never an OLB, no team gives up high picks for an experiment. Would teams have wanted Boldin if he stated he wanted to play TE.

[Urrymonster]

peppers has a contract

And he would have a contract if we didn't tag him. The difference is this way, is that we get compensation if anyone wants him

peppers has a 30%+ raise

If he IS traded then this figure he is making now, will actually be the starting point for any contract. So chances are this is his going rate whatever happens from here on. Remember we offered a contract to him not far off what Haynesworth got, which in turn would not be far off what he is receiving this year if you add signing bonus' to salaray and incentives.

peppers is not subject to trade speculation in the media

peppers is not being shopped all over the NFL in the media

Peppers is not subject to trade speculation because other teams do not want to negotiate with Carey. They have made that clear to the media on countless occassions, so this actually puts Peppers in more of a bind. To sign his tender will effectively lose him the leverage both you and he perceive that he has.

peppers is not at risk to have to "block" a trade

Not sure being 'at risk' of 'blocking' a trade is too much of a concern. Simple fact is, he can block trades in every situation regarding the franchise tender. Signed or un-signed. Not sure how you consider this important.

peppers is free to negotiate with anybody HE chooses

..all because of his agent

He always would be. No team will trade for him without a contract ready to be signed, so he gets to negotiate, with his agent, any deal that comes their and our way. The ONLY difference is that we can actively seek out interested parties and present them to Peppers. He STILL has the final say, so it is ludicrous to feel that his 'agent' has put him in a fantastic position but telling him not to sign the tender and releasing various statements about 'The List'.

Carey is not in a tight spot, not nearly as tight of a spot he would be if he had to spin control Peppers defiance to go somewhere not to his liking if Hurney set it up. It's not ideal for the peppers camp but it is the lesser of the two evil scenarios that they were forced to choose between when Hurney tagged them.

Carey IS in a tight spot, because he wants TO GET PAID. You think he gets any $$$ for Peppers NOT signing his franchise tender and NOT getting any teams to trade for him? Nope, he gets naught for all his 'clever ideas'. Same with Pep.

Why oh why would Carey have to spin control if Pep did not want to go somewhere??? All he has to do is ask for ludicrous contract demands and that team dissapears?! It's not like the Panthers make any media noise about interested parties anyway. We are one of the quietest teams in this regard, so any team interested will stay behind closed doors until it's finished. Then and only then will the team that is completing the trade will be revelaed, the others will not even be mentioned!

The lesser of two evils you describe, depends on what the ultimately wanted to achieve. If the genuinely wanted to only move to a select number of teams then they should of signed the tender and allowed us to get the best compensation from one of those teams. As he has not, we are having to wait for Carey to try and determine what is fair compensation and then deliver it to us. NOT an efficient way of handling things. All Carey has achieved is to drag this whole ordeal throught an entire off-season and likely into the pre-season and possible the regular season.

You think many teams will dangle a big fat juicy contract in front of him after that? You think the Patriots or Steelers, who epitomise hard work and not taking any crap from their players will put up with that? Unlikely. Very very unlikely. Chances are, his reaction to the whole thing has scared those power houses from showing any interest. They do not want someone who may or may not pull his weight to suddenly show extreme lack of judgement towards the organisation that has turned him into a star. Why would any team feel that he would not do the same to them?!

[dexterpyro]

This is by far the Smartest post on the Pep situation....

Peppers..No Peppers

We will be fine with or with out him and he better know it

[panthers55]

peppers has a contract

peppers has a 30%+ raise

peppers is not subject to trade speculation in the media

peppers is not being shopped all over the NFL in the media

peppers is not at risk to have to "block" a trade

peppers is free to negotiate with anybody HE chooses

..all because of his agent

Carey is not in a tight spot, not nearly as tight of a spot he would be if he had to spin control Peppers defiance to go somewhere not to his liking if Hurney set it up. It's not ideal for the peppers camp but it is the lesser of the two evil scenarios that they were forced to choose between when Hurney tagged them.

My mind is not closed. You- any of you who can make a case why Peppers should sign that tender I'll listen.

Nobody has done it yet.

Peppers doesn't have a contract. He has a tender offer which he hasn't accepted. That tender offer can be rescinded if we choose or he can be traded once he signs it.

If he sits out he will have even less interest next year and his salary prospects and Carey's 10% will plummet.

Peppers can negotiate with anybody but so far the interest level suggests that anybody is actually nobody.

Right now Carey will get no cash this year nor will Peppers unless he signs the tender and then we can do whatever we want with him. So Peppers is in control as long as he holds out. But what he is in control of is nothing, because as long as he holds out he is not in football this year and doesn't get a dime.