Rivera expects Bell to start at right tackle (Also other Tidbits)

[panthers55]

On a passing play...a QB can be pressured and forced out of the pocket. The result of the play could be a 2 yard rush.

So yes a rush is logged.

My point was, the DE who pressured him on the pass still gets credited with the hurry.....despite the end result logging it as a rush attempt. Doesn't he? I am not certain how that plays out....that is what I was suggesting

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I don't think a DE gets a pressure on a running play.

[CRA]

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I don't think a DE gets a pressure on a running play.

I guess my logic was hurries were a completely unique "stat" on their own that is subjectively recorded....I didn't think coaches voided them bc the end result technically caused the down to officially go down as a run. There are tons of plays were great defensive pressure kills plays and the result is a 0 yard gain, 1 yard, etc. See those on 3rd and long a lot

Maybe they are voided "hurries"

Those are still plays that are going to be logged as pass rushing snaps for defenders...

Just talking out loud.....you are probably right though. All gets voided out if the QB never attempts the pass.

[MasterAwesome]

All I know is that NFL analysts are all over Tyron Smith's nuts in every article I hear about him....so I'm gonna take their word for it and assume he's pretty good or has amazing potential at the very least, since I don't watch any Cowboys games. I never hear anything too positive about Bell (mostly I just don't hear anything at all about him)...but I think we can all agree that he was a heck of a value acquisition for us, being undrafted and all. You can't really fairly compare an undrafted OT to the 9th overall pick of the 2011 draft.

[panthers55]

All I know is that NFL analysts are all over Tyron Smith's nuts in every article I hear about him....so I'm gonna take their word for it and assume he's pretty good or has amazing potential at the very least, since I don't watch any Cowboys games. I never hear anything too positive about Bell (mostly I just don't hear anything at all about him)...but I think we can all agree that he was a heck of a value acquisition for us, being undrafted and all. You can't really fairly compare an undrafted OT to the 9th overall pick of the 2011 draft.

The question is always how much of the praise is based on what he did or his potential based on where he was picked in the draft. First rounders always seem to get the benefit of the doubt where undrafted guys aren't expected to do much so the praise is often more tempered. On the flip side a first rounder has extreme pressure to perform while an undrafted guy has much less.

[rayzor]

1.) I doubt anyone here knows how to grade tackles. There's more to the position than sacks and pressures given up, and the QB is primarily responsible for being sacked. Notice how Peyton Manning is a statue but avoids sacks incredibly well.

2.) Otah was never all that good of a pass-blocker, anyways. His monster run blocking covered his weakness in pass protection.

3.) Bell improved as the season went on, and considering the fact that he went from laying carpet to starting on a top five offense shows he can handle the work it takes to improve.

We'll be fine.

you and p55 are right on target in this thread. kudos to both of you for a more reasonable approach to bell.

i've been saying all along he's playing just like a rookie OT. they all play badly. i don't care where they are drafted. except for the most elite of OTs who get it early (and those are rare even among first rounders) they all look like they are on roller skates and they all make really bad decisions. the actual number is pretty much irrelevant because they all just look bad.

but....they get better. if they can keep their job they end up seeing incredible growth within their first 2-3 years compared to their first.

bell played just like a rookie udfa (who, regardless of those "experts" in here who expect mostly mistake free performances from anyone stepping on the field) who usually aren't drafted because they are seen more as projects at best. they aren't expected to come in and start. even if they are asked to come in and start (and i would like to know just how many udfa rookies have been asked to come in and start) the only real expectation is to to show growth and keep the QB from getting killed...which he did.

it's unrealistic...completely unrealistic...to expect any rookie, esp. in that situation, to come out of the gate playing like a seasoned pro. it's just not going to happen and the coaching staffs know this. they know what they want and while bell may not have played anywhere close to brilliantly he played well enough and grew enough that they see he's worth continuing to give a shot and that's all that really matters.

First off, the five sacks that Bell allowed was by far the most by any Panthers offensive lineman, now five sacks isn't bad for a rookie; but fourteen penalties is blatantly horrendous. As far as other rookie right tackle's, I would say most that started played better than Bell.

penalties are something that gets corrected with experience. he's got that now. except for a few OL that just never get it, the number of penalties will drop off after they've had a year of playing under their belt. i fully expect that to be the case. his penalties were a concern last year, but i'm not concerned about them going forward. he was a rookie. he won't be next year.

[CRA]

No one is saying Bell should of been good last year....

He should of struggled....and he did. That is a perfectly legit and reasonable stance.

Claiming he was average to above average isn't

[panthers55]

No one is saying Bell should of been good last year....

He should of struggled....and he did. That is a perfectly legit and reasonable stance.

Claiming he was average to above average isn't

He was average for a rookie. Was he average compared to all right tackles in the league. No, but since the vast majority were vets what do you expect? If he still sucks in 2 years then lets all jump on him.......

Can you give it a rest now or do we need another 10 pages of back and forth????

[CRA]

He was average for a rookie. Was he average compared to all right tackles in the league. No, but since the vast majority were vets what do you expect? If he still sucks in 2 years then lets all jump on him.......

Can you give it a rest now or do we need another 10 pages of back and forth????

Now why is it you take such great issue with my stance....yet don't reply to a single post where people call him average to above average for a RT last year? The anchor of the line? Etc?

I don't really care about a guy being average for a UDFA put in a bad spot. I am a Panther fan. Good for Bell. That isn't good for Carolina...Carolina needs better RT play than average for a UDFA rookie.

[rayzor]

it's last year, tho.

the coaching staff believes that he learned and grew enough that he is a good option, good enough to be a starter. that is good for carolina. not sure why it wouldn't be unless you just don't trust this coaching staff.

[panthers55]

Now why is it you take such great issue with my stance....yet don't reply to a single post where people call him average to above average for a RT last year? The anchor of the line? Etc?

I don't really care about a guy being average for a UDFA put in a bad spot. I am a Panther fan. Good for Bell. That isn't good for Carolina...Carolina needs better RT play than average for a UDFA rookie.

Why do I take issue with your stance? Because you have gone on and on for pages complaining about a rookie who was thrown into the fire with no preparation or warning. Then when he struggles as they all do, you proclaim he sucks and shouldn't play let alone start.

You have no idea how he will play this year or whether he will improve significantly. Instead you have already decided that he sucks, won't get better, and that we need to upgrade. I find that incredibly premature. Then when you go on for pages and pages I find it annoying. Other folks say what they do and move on. I don't feel the need for a response as they don't keep beating a dead horse as you do.,