Cam and checkdowns/screen plays...

[brandon_87]

Why do all of Cam's passes have to go for over 15 yards? Did Chud tell Cam never to dump the ball off or something? Is dinking and dunking against Chud's philosophy or is Cam just making things harder for himself by thinking he needs to get a huge gain with each pass attempt? I know it was all prevent defense when Anderson came in, but when he didn't find anything down the field, he just dumped it off to his running back and let him do the work.

Is Cam completely ignoring this aspect of the game? Is Chud not giving Cam an option to bail himself out when he can't find a receiver downfield? Is Cam just scanning the field and making only one read the entire time? Do option plays and checkdowns not work together? I would like some insight.

in case you didn't notice.... Anderson also didn't get any read option plays.... Chud is playing Cam like this is college... We drafted a QB to the NFL, not to play college ball, play a pro offense or GTFO

[Monday Night Shyamalan]

Completely agree.

On numerous occasions I noticed Tolbert open out wide or over the middle against the Giants, yet Cam continued to try and make the 15+ yard throw down field. I for one love Tolbert and his pass catching abilities as a fullback. It seems the dude will catch and bowl right into defenders for a 5+ yard gain every time if given the opportunity. The checkdown/screen is so effective with high-powered offenses, plus we have two additional feature backs as options and we never utilize the play?? I just don't get it....

[Monday Night Shyamalan]

Thank you so much for bringing this up. This offense sucks. ALL we do is either run the ball or pass 15 or more yards down field. Why can't we just do simple check downs or slant route passes to just get a 1st down. I'd kill to have the Rams offense, they are a picture perfect balanced offense.

You sure about that?

[Who Said What?]

Agreed Philly I wish we could find a healthy mixture of quick slants and short routes to get Cam in a rhythm and build some rapport early in the game with his receivers. Fact is, we just need to move the chains and points will come.

Get the run game going and keep a defense off balance and get them tired by having to deal with a punishing run game mixed with quick shorter routes. Then on obvious running downs burn them with the play action deep ball that Cam loves so much and has had success at.

I thought it was bizarre how the Giants were aggressive in their pursuit and rush against Cam yet we ran one screen as far as I can remember and Tolbert picked up a big chuck of yardage.

Exactly, because that rhythm helps the QB. This is especially true when you are running no huddle too. I wonder where the quick hitters are too. Hell the Giants were doing it. When DBs play off and the LBs blitz, you run slants in behind them. When you play a team like the Giants with the edge rushers they have, you should not make every pass seven step drops. That is not on Cam. That is on Chud. I want to see some power running too. Why did we get a fullback if we were not going to do any power running? But, this is how the offense was in San Diego. I remember when we beat them with Delhome and the Rosario TD. They were trying to get huge chunks on every play.

[Panthrax]

Cam is greedy and ignoring his coaches.

Once he gets past that, the healing will begin...

Lots of upside here, if he can avoid the desire for splash plays on EVERY SNAP.

[Silent Majority]

Although I am concerned with Chud's play calling. I am almost sure it is Cam himself keeping him from taking the dump off and short stuff. Unless it is a called screen, you see the ball down the field. Which is the glamorous and sexy way to go.

No one wants to be unsexy.

This is 'bout dumb as hell. You think Cam is willfully disregarding Chud and there are no repricussions? As bad as Cam wants to win, you think he'd rather lose just to be sexy? lol wow.

[Silent Majority]

Cam is greedy and ignoring his coaches.

Once he gets past that, the healing will begin...

Lots of upside here, if he can avoid the desire for splash plays on EVERY SNAP.

Trollin', trollin', trollin'.

[FattyFatFat]

Is there any way we can sub in an OC every once in a while? Not all the time, cause I loves Chud; I really do. Occasionally I do think he gets a little myopic in his play calling. So many weapons on this team. I know we can be a dominate offense. Add in some 2 TE sets. Lets concentrate on plays that go for 8-12 yards. Lets mix up some screen plays when the opposing teams defense stunts through our line. The fix is so simple. Just a little more thinking on your feet, Chud. It could be so much more than what it is.

[magnus]

when things aren't going right, the natural inclination is to demand mostly what you're not getting. Guarantee that every one of you, after 2001, were demanding what this offense is now - downfield, shotgun.

Tell the truth, intermediate to deep passing is what this team does best, and what it should be doing. This week, Tolbert played probably as much as a blocker as a receiver. And that's warranted. Olsen is a downfield guy too, so you're left without much of a dumpoff. With that said, Cam's not looking there as much when there's a safety valve, and playing a called screen too much gives you only so many options.

But, being honest, it's not like the team would have benefitted greatly from a shitload of 3 yard passes while down three scores.

[Urrymonster]

when things aren't going right, the natural inclination is to demand mostly what you're not getting. Guarantee that every one of you, after 2001, were demanding what this offense is now - downfield, shotgun.

Tell the truth, intermediate to deep passing is what this team does best, and what it should be doing. This week, Tolbert played probably as much as a blocker as a receiver. And that's warranted. Olsen is a downfield guy too, so you're left without much of a dumpoff. With that said, Cam's not looking there as much when there's a safety valve, and playing a called screen too much gives you only so many options.

But, being honest, it's not like the team would have benefitted greatly from a shitload of 3 yard passes while down three scores.

Tolbert was running routes on 66% of the passing snaps he was in for.

[CRA]

Why do all of Cam's passes have to go for over 15 yards? Did Chud tell Cam never to dump the ball off or something? Is dinking and dunking against Chud's philosophy or is Cam just making things harder for himself by thinking he needs to get a huge gain with each pass attempt? I know it was all prevent defense when Anderson came in, but when he didn't find anything down the field, he just dumped it off to his running back and let him do the work.

Is Cam completely ignoring this aspect of the game? Is Chud not giving Cam an option to bail himself out when he can't find a receiver downfield? Is Cam just scanning the field and making only one read the entire time? Do option plays and checkdowns not work together? I would like some insight.

I know Tampa for example a large % of the routes were simply deep.....Cams's one checkdown was largely taken away by Rhonde. Play along issue. He doesn't need 3 WRs and a TE all running deep to intermediate routes....which is what Chud does the majority of the time.

It is painfully clear when Chud calls shorter routed and designed screens......Cam uses them.

Steve Smith for example gets take out of chunks of games bc he makes it tough for Cam to get him the ball

[magnus]

Tolbert was running routes on 66% of the passing snaps he was in for.

Didn't feel that way, but apparently I was wrong. He needs to take more of what the defense gives him either way, but I completely don't mind throwing more than 5 yards downfield when we're down 20 or up 10.

I'm not kidding, I've seen enough of people complain over the last 10+ years, "why did we throw a seven yard route when we needed 12?" Now we have an offense that will throw at 18 on first down. Balance is nice but I'm not dying to turn Cam into Clausen.

[YourManInAmsterdam]

Agreed. And I really thought we would see more screens and the like when they signed Tolbert. After all, he's just so damned good at it.

Boy was I wrong about that.

[usmcpanthers]

Its funny I used to hate that Clausen would never throw down field, now I hate Newton wont checkdown....im never happy lol