Please stop saying

[Rip Saw]

that we have great talent, or unbelievable talent.

Excepting a position or two we don't. If I am mistaken please show me where. - Point out those game changing players.

Even the guys that we have paid millions to for multi year contracts are pretty meh when compared to similar players in this league.

Our coaches are below average- this team has been out coached every game this year except for the one game where the Saints had no coach.

I see us at 4 -12 on the 2012 season. Next year may not be any better if we dont get a new coaching staff in here.

[fieryprophet]

There are 32 teams in the league. We may not have a top 3 player right now at any position, but we have top ten or 15 players all over. Most teams have less, some teams have more, but we're not hurting for talent, just consistency.

[Vampire the buffet slayer]

I just came to see if this thread was just as stupid as the first one that was posted.

It is.

[FirstRoundPick]

There are 32 teams in the league. We may not have a top 3 player right now at any position, but we have top ten or 15 players all over. Most teams have less, some teams have more, but we're not hurting for talent, just consistency.

Both saftey positions, CB2, CB3, DT, DE2, both G, RT, WR2, WR3, and specail teams as a unit are all position I would not comfortably say we have top 15 talent in. Not saying we should expect to be that loaded, but it goes against what you were saying

[fieryprophet]

Both saftey positions, CB2, CB3, DT, DE2, both G, RT, WR2, WR3, and specail teams as a unit are all position I would not comfortably say we have top 15 talent in.  Not saying we should expect to be that loaded, but it goes against what you were saying

Being generous and giving you all of those positions, that's ten out of 22 starters. How many other teams you know of that have 12 top ten to 15 talents as starters? It's the nature of the NFL that every team has a LOT of "holes."

[panther4life]

Both saftey positions, CB2, CB3, DT, DE2, both G, RT, WR2, WR3, and specail teams as a unit are all position I would not comfortably say we have top 15 talent in. Not saying we should expect to be that loaded, but it goes against what you were saying

Does the team that just beat us field any players that are top in talent in any of those positions you mentioned aside from # 2 DE?

[FirstRoundPick]

What top 15?

Both safties

One guard for sure maybe both

WR 2 absolutely, WR 3 nope

DT yup, as much as we have stabilized that position we would start any of theres. Didn't see the game but I am assuming Tuck is playing the inside with Canty.

RT, Diehl was pretty good, so I would assume so.

CB 2 and 3. No

Really hard to judge best top 15 WR2, and WR3, and CB2, and CB3, so I am not pretending my opinion is factual on this. But it is what I believe. I really wanted to say WR3, but it would prove difficult to prove but I really like the WR corps and consider it one of the best Cruz, Nicks, Hixon, Barden, and Randle. Barden didn't surprise me at all because I remember when they drafted him to replace some of what Burress brought.

To be fair Lafell is on his way to becoming a top 15 WR 2 and Gettis who I love can be a top 15 WR 3, maybe more.

[Sapper]

I just came to see if this thread was just as stupid as the first one that was posted.

It is.

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[Jackofalltrades]

There are 32 teams in the league. We may not have a top 3 player right now at any position, but we have top ten or 15 players all over. Most teams have less, some teams have more, but we're not hurting for talent, just consistency.

Very well said, agree completely.

[panther4life]

What top 15?

Both safties

One guard for sure maybe both

WR 2 absolutely, WR 3 nope

DT yup, as much as we have stabilized that position we would start any of theres. Didn't see the game but I am assuming Tuck is playing the inside with Canty.

RT, Diehl was pretty good, so I would assume so.

CB 2 and 3. No

Really hard to judge best top 15 WR2, and WR3, and CB2, and CB3, so I am not pretending my opinion is factual on this. But it is what I believe. I really wanted to say WR3, but it would prove difficult to prove but I really like the WR corps and consider it one of the best Cruz, Nicks, Hixon, Barden, and Randle. Barden didn't surprise me at all because I remember when they drafted him to replace some of what Burress brought.

To be fair Lafell is on his way to becoming a top 15 WR 2 and Gettis who I love can be a top 15 WR 3, maybe more.

You think Ramses Barden is a top 15 W.R?? Surely you meant Nicks but I cleary stated the team they fielded.

DT,wow...no Tuck is defensive end and that where he started and played. Canty has not played all year and is on p.u.p. They started Joseph and Bernard. Diehl was out too and Giants fans preferred it because he was playing so bad as of late.

Everyone knows you hate Hurney and your only mission on this board seems to be to influence others to agree with that sentiment. You just need to bring better informed opinions or facts if you want to have anybody joining you in that movement.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

that we have great talent, or unbelievable talent.

Excepting a position or two we don't. If I am mistaken please show me where. - Point out those game changing players.

Even the guys that we have paid millions to for multi year contracts are pretty meh when compared to similar players in this league.

Our coaches are below average- this team has been out coached every game this year except for the one game where the Saints had no coach.

I see us at 4 -12 on the 2012 season. Next year may not be any better if we dont get a new coaching staff in here.

Someone forgot to tell me that the sky fell over the weekend. I think there are a lot of reasons to lament but to write off the season and the coaching staff this early is a bit much. I dont want to even think playoffs at this point but do think there are ways to become competitive.

That said, if we get to the bye week without much improvement I might agree with the 4-12 and deem you a genius but I am in wait and see mode right now.

[FirstRoundPick]

Everyone knows you hate Hurney and your only mission on this board seems to be to influence others to agree with that sentiment. You just need to bring better informed opinions or facts if you want to have anybody joining you in that movement.

Everything after Hurney is false.

Yeah I meant Hicks both him and Cruz are pretty much top 15 for number 1 wideouts. That team is loaded anyone looking at that roster can see that. You need to bring better hammer to convince anyone that they aren't better from top to bottom than we are.