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Quarterbacks and Coaching

Mr. Scot

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Discussion of what's happened/what to do with Newton has brought up a philosophical question for me, the answer to which likely says a lot about how you'd approach developing a young QB.

Take a look at some past QB failures...

- Ryan Leaf

- JaMarcus Russell

- David Carr

- Jimmy Clausen

In your opinion, what percentage of the failures of these guys - and others like them - is due to poor coaching, and how much is due to the players themselves just not having "what it takes" to be an NFL quarterback?

Just to be clear, I'm not limiting the discussion to those four. They're just examples. And no, I'm not saying Cam Newton is a bust or lumping him in with those guys, so don't bother starting that stupid argument either. It's a philosophical question.

Also, for the purposes of this discussion, "50-50" is not an option. The closest I'll accept is 60-40.

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to make this ranking even sparsely legitimate you have to consider the state of the teams they started for, the state of the team's they played on their rookie schedule, the similarity of the offense to that of their collegiate career, the viability of the overall offense to be executed with or without the new QB in question including the familiarity level of surrounding and complimentary players as well as the OC's ability to command the play-calling and preparation.

Once that is done, none of these situations are comparable in the slightest

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Discussion of what's happened/what to do with Newton has brought up a philosophical question for me, the answer to which likely says a lot about how you'd approach developing a young QB.

Take a look at some past QB failures...

- Ryan Leaf

- JaMarcus Russell

- David Carr

- Jimmy Clausen

In your opinion, what percentage of the failures of these guys - and others like them - is due to poor coaching, and how much is due to the players themselves just not having "what it takes" to be an NFL quarterback?

Just to be clear, I'm not limiting the discussion to those four. They're just examples. And no, I'm not saying Cam Newton is a bust or lumping him in with those guys, so don't bother starting that stupid argument either. It's a philosophical question.

Also, for the purposes of this discussion, "50-50" is not an option. The closest I'll accept is 60-40.

JaMarcus Russell failure was due to his self. I don't think what happen to him was due to coaching. It was due to the fact that he was a lazy individual and he basically robbed the Raiders in a sense.

David Carr failure was definitely due to coaching and weak personnel. He really just ended up in a bad situation with a expansion team.

Ryan Leaf failure was due to mental toughness. His lack of mental toughness falls on coaching if you ask me. I feel that coaches are suppose to groom players whether its mentally or physically.

Jimmy Clausen down fall is he just lacks the physical attributes to play QB. The jury is kind of still out on him because we haven't seen him play since 2010. So I don't really know.

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Discussion of what's happened/what to do with Newton has brought up a philosophical question for me, the answer to which likely says a lot about how you'd approach developing a young QB.

Take a look at some past QB failures...

- Ryan Leaf

- JaMarcus Russell

- David Carr

- Jimmy Clausen

In your opinion, what percentage of the failures of these guys - and others like them - is due to poor coaching, and how much is due to the players themselves just not having "what it takes" to be an NFL quarterback?

Just to be clear, I'm not limiting the discussion to those four. They're just examples. And no, I'm not saying Cam Newton is a bust or lumping him in with those guys, so don't bother starting that stupid argument either. It's a philosophical question.

Also, for the purposes of this discussion, "50-50" is not an option. The closest I'll accept is 60-40.

I think coaching plays a bigger role in a QBs early success than anything - I would say as high as 75%. It's ultimately up to the coach to recognize weaknesses and strengths and put the team in the best position to succeed. Of course there are those few that overcome mediocre coaching, but the majority of the greats have had coaches that were just as skilled.

Over time, I think it comes down to work ethic and the willingness to do what it takes to be successful that dictates a player's future - regardless of what position they play.

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JaMarcus Russell failure was due to his self. I don't think what happen to him was due to coaching. It was due to the fact that he was a lazy individual and he basically robbed the Raiders in a sense.

David Carr failure was definitely due to coaching and weak personnel. He really just ended up in a bad situation with a expansion team.

Ryan Leaf failure was due to mental toughness. His lack of mental toughness falls on coaching if you ask me. I feel that coaches are suppose to groom players whether its mentally or physically.

Jimmy Clausen down fall is he just lacks the physical attributes to play QB. The jury is kind of still out on him because we haven't seen him play since 2010. So I don't really know.

Pretty accurate anslysis

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- Ryan Leaf - This one is hard. He had everything and I suffered through this. His failure was all on him, and you can back that up by where his life has gone. Throw in Todd Marinovich to this too. The coaching couldn't save him, nothing could on this. Veteran leadership, and I think the alt QB at that time was Jim Harbaugh, haha if not Craig Welihan. (spelling?)

- JaMarcus Russell - Bust from day one. I never saw his talent besides an arm. If this was anyone other than the Raiders with the #1 that year, he wouldn't have gone #1. No one wanted to trade up, this guy was dumb as poo.

- David Carr - Played in a spread-timing offense in college, and that does not transfer to the NFL. Same thing with Alex Smith.

- Jimmy Clausen - Lacked the tools needed, this is why Buffalo passed on him and went with Spiller and no one but us wanted him. Another Hurney debacle. I'm sure with good coaching, he could be a serviceable backup.

- Vince Young - He had the coaching and the tools but he was dumb and egotistical. A lot like Leaf, he hurt himself.

- Matt Leinart - lacked proper coaching, and in the end lacks the talent.

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