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Ever wonder why the AFC always has the "best" defenses?

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and their defenses face the NFC as well....way to shoot your argument in the foot

Yes. They played 64 times and the AFC lost 39 of them.

The 12 games they play against the pooty AFC > the 4 games against the NFC.

Defensive numbers are still inflated because of the AFC schedule.

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The Broncos had to play Ben, M Ryan, Schaub, Rivers twice, Brady, Freeman, Newton, Brees and Flacco. That's ten out of their 16 games and they finished 4th in points against and 2nd in yards against.

Cinci played Flacco twice, Ben twice, both mannings, rivers, romo, and RG3 finished 6th in yards against 8th in points against.

Houston played manning, rodgers, flacco, cutler, stafford, brady, and luck twice 7th in yards against, 9th in points against.

Pitt played Flacco twice, Dalton twice, both Mannings, Vick, RG3, Romo, and Rivers 1st in yards 6th in points.

The problem isn't with AFC defenses being overrated, it's with your perception of NFC QBs

Like Manning is "mr. clutch" (3948 yards 26 tds 15 ints 59.9% completions) and rivers is terrible (3606 26, 15 64.1%

Jay Cutler is top half easily (3000 19, 14 58.8%) and andy dalton is "meh" (3600 27, 16 62.3%)

Matt Stafford has ridiculous talent (4967 20, 17 59.8) andy luck is overrated (4300 23, 18 54.1%)

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The Broncos had to play Ben, M Ryan, Schaub, Rivers twice, Brady, Freeman, Newton, Brees and Flacco. That's ten out of their 16 games and they finished 4th in points against and 2nd in yards against.

Cinci played Flacco twice, Ben twice, both mannings, rivers, romo, and RG3 finished 6th in yards against 8th in points against.

Houston played manning, rodgers, flacco, cutler, stafford, brady, and luck twice 7th in yards against, 9th in points against.

Pitt played Flacco twice, Dalton twice, both Mannings, Vick, RG3, Romo, and Rivers 1st in yards 6th in points.

The problem isn't with AFC defenses being overrated, it's with your perception of NFC QBs

Like Manning is "mr. clutch" (3948 yards 26 tds 15 ints 59.9% completions) and rivers is terrible (3606 26, 15 64.1%

Jay Cutler is top half easily (3000 19, 14 58.8%) and andy dalton is "meh" (3600 27, 16 62.3%)

Matt Stafford has ridiculous talent (4967 20, 17 59.8) andy luck is overrated (4300 23, 18 54.1%)

Who did they play in those other games?? And you shouldn't put Luck, Vick, and Rivers in examples to say they played great QBs. You are even pushing it by including Flacco and Dalton.

How about the Panthers just in their division? Josh Freeman x2, Brees x2, Matt Ryan x2. Not to mention both Mannings, RG3, Cutler, Russell Wilson and Tony Romo.

Hey if you want to be taken seriously about talking QBs actually watch the games, don't go to ESPN and just look at the stats. Otherwise you might think Alex Smith (70% completion percentage, 13 TDs, 5 INTs, 104.1 passer rating) was actually good too.

Luck is overrated. If you can't complete more than 50% of your passes for 5 straight games, you are not playing very well.

Oh yeah, you left off River's 15 fumbles when comparing him to Eli Manning.

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Show me where I called any of those qbs great.

How many "great" qbs do they have to play to be considered a legit defense? How many "great" qbs did the niners and seahawks play?

Let me narrow the list for you the niners played the cards and rams twice each, ponder, sanchez, fitzpatrick and tannehill. That leaves a possible 8 games against "great" qbs so they must be frauds right? The hawks played cards and rams twice, fitzpatrick, alex smith, Tannehill, Sanchez and Ponder. That leaves 7 games against possibly good qbs... frauds again.

If you're not seeing the obvious bias in discrediting Dalton, Flacco, and Luck while listing Freeman, Cutler, and Stafford as examples of good qbs I don't know what to tell you.

As far as Luck being overrated, its fun to zero in on one stat rather than watching the games right? You can't possibly be a good qb if you have a 3 game stretch with 1td and 9 int (Freeman) right? You can't possibly be a good qb with 0 300 yard games and 9 games UNDER 200 yards (R Wilson) right? You couldn't possibly be a good qb when you lead the league in pass attempts by a wide margin, have hands down the best receiver in the league and only threw 20 tds (Stafford) right?

What about the Panthers? I'm not the one calling defenses overrated for playing well against the teams they're scheduled to play.

Are you saying alex smith isn't a good qb? I know he's not a GREAT qb like stafford but not even good? you didn't watch him in the playoffs last year? I'm just trying to reconcile luck, smith, dalton, flacco being scrubs while your defense is to be applauded for stopping stafford and freeman. I guess its just me though.

Yes Rivers is a turnover machine and wildly inconsistent, just like Eli.

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Show me where I called any of those qbs great.

How many "great" qbs do they have to play to be considered a legit defense? How many "great" qbs did the niners and seahawks play?

Let me narrow the list for you the niners played the cards and rams twice each, ponder, sanchez, fitzpatrick and tannehill. That leaves a possible 8 games against "great" qbs so they must be frauds right? The hawks played cards and rams twice, fitzpatrick, alex smith, Tannehill, Sanchez and Ponder. That leaves 7 games against possibly good qbs... frauds again.

If you're not seeing the obvious bias in discrediting Dalton, Flacco, and Luck while listing Freeman, Cutler, and Stafford as examples of good qbs I don't know what to tell you.

As far as Luck being overrated, its fun to zero in on one stat rather than watching the games right? You can't possibly be a good qb if you have a 3 game stretch with 1td and 9 int (Freeman) right? You can't possibly be a good qb with 0 300 yard games and 9 games UNDER 200 yards (R Wilson) right? You couldn't possibly be a good qb when you lead the league in pass attempts by a wide margin, have hands down the best receiver in the league and only threw 20 tds (Stafford) right?

What about the Panthers? I'm not the one calling defenses overrated for playing well against the teams they're scheduled to play.

Are you saying alex smith isn't a good qb? I know he's not a GREAT qb like stafford but not even good? you didn't watch him in the playoffs last year? I'm just trying to reconcile luck, smith, dalton, flacco being scrubs while your defense is to be applauded for stopping stafford and freeman. I guess its just me though.

Yes Rivers is a turnover machine and wildly inconsistent, just like Eli.

I never said that AFC defenses weren't legit. I said the reason why you see so many at the top is because they are inflated by playing pooty QBs in the AFC. In my last paragraph I said when you hear about a "good" defense in the AFC, be sure to check their schedule.

If you actually read what i wrote I list Cutler, Stafford, Schaub, and Flacco in basically the same category. Good but short of elite.

Dalton may be in the top half, but if he is, it is barely.

All I said about Stafford is that he has incredible talent and is a top half of the NFL QB. I don't think he is great yet.

And I don't zero in on one stat. When I analyze a QB it is a conglomerate of things from statistical analysis and actually watching them play. HOWEVER, by any metric if you are not completing 50% of your passes you are not playing that well. If you don't complete 50% of your passes over 5 games, you are not playing well for an extended period of time. If for a season you are below 55%, you aren't playing very well. After all, a QBs primary objective is to actually complete passes.

No Alex Smith is not good.

To put it simply, when you have the luxury of playing teams that are Qb'd by the likes of Weeden, Gabbert, Fitzgerald, Sanchez, Tannehill, Quinn/Cassel, Palmer, etc. and your 4th best QB in your conference is probably Joe Flacco, your defenses are going to rank higher than most teams in the NFC whose worst QB is whoever the Cardinals are currently using and then Sam Bradford. After that, there are no truly terrible QBs like the ones I listed above. And Bradford isn't terrible, he just isn't very good. After that you have maybe Vick. Yes, Mike Vick might be the third worst QB in the NFC, and he was an MVP candidate just 3 years ago.

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In other words all the defenses at the top of the league have inflated numbers because they all spent over half their season playing subpar qbs, except maybe the bears. Got it.

Out of he bottom 13 teams in the NFL in PPG, 10 are in the AFC!!

So 10 of the 16 teams in the AFC are in the bottom 13 in scoring. 11 of the 16 teams in the bottom half of the NFL in PPG are in the AFC.

So, to put that in perspective, 68% of the teams in the AFC are in the bottom half of the league in PPG. 77% of the bottom 13 teams in PPG are in the AFC, and @63% of the entire AFC is in the bottom 13 of the NFL in PPG.

Now it is just common sense that if you play teams that are inept offensively in will inflate your numbers defensively.

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buffalo is 21st, st louis is 25th, arizona is 31st, the jets are 28th, miami is 27th.

That's 7 out of 16 games for both san fran and seattle. The same number of games denver played against offenses ranked 20th or lower. Houston also played 7 teams ranked 20 or below. Pitt played 8 games against offenses 20 or below.

Everyone in the league plays multiple games against bad teams every year and "inflates" their offensive and defensive numbers.

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