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Thoughts on the 2012 Draft Class


KendrickPanther

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Overall I think this was one of our best rookie classes ever. You can see Rivera's finger prints down the list and we hit on some guys in my mind. Keep in mind our third rounder is Greg Olsen. We can complain about a ton of things but kudos to Rivera for helping Marty on the 2012 draft class and Kudos to the staff. I think it was solid. What do you guys think?

Round 1 Pick 9: Luke Kuechley - At the time this board was upset with the pick but the kid won us over with his work ethic and hard nosed play. At 2-8 some guys slow down, Kuech sped up. This was a home run pick that will help us for years to come.

Round 2 Pick 40: Amini Silatolu - This guy had shaky moments throughout the season but the talent is there. The moment i realized how good he is was in the Oakland game when he was injured and we didn't have him anymore. He was clearly a cut above the other guys.

Round 4 Pick 103: Frank Alexander - This guy was good value in the round we chose him. Just think we took Eric Norwood in the 4th. He played hard, had good measurables, and stayed healthy. He had good numbers for playing behind Greg and Charles, he swatted down a few passes. Nice job for a 4th round rookie.

Round 4 Pick 104: Joe Adams - This was probably this single most popular draft pick on the huddle. I thought he looked slow. I got flamed hard. His punt return average wasn't abysmal but he was never spectacular. He fumbled 4 times and spent most of the season benched. 20 yards from scrimmage. No TDs. He wasn't Armanti Edwards rookie bad, but he was worse than Armanti Edwards right now. We need to see big improvement from him to live up to the hype.

Round 5 Pick 143: Josh Norman - Josh Norman made a ton of noise in camp, he was supposed to be confident but it just didn't work out. I'm not sure if it's Norman or his coaches but he gave up way to much cushion. He was basically a free completion at the end of games. He made Captain Munnerlyn look good. Rivera's wife found some guy named Dockery at the Harris Teeter that could take his job. He still has potential, if he can learn to play like Richard Sherman I see a future for him in this league.

Round 6 Pick 207: Brad Nortman - I didn't like this pick at the time, I didn't like it in training camp, and I was confirmed during the season. He just isn't accurate enough. I heard a GM once say "most kickers/punters need to fail a few times(Shayne Graham), get cut a few times, before they are ready to start in the NFL." There was gold to be mined down here. I liked some of the corners still on the board like Dennard from Nebraska.

Round 7 Pick 216: D.J. Cambell - This guy was cut like most 7th rounders are but he worked his way back onto the roster and played well. I think he earned a spot next season. He played like a quality backup with starter potential, think Chad Cota.

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Round 2 Pick 40: Amini Silatolu - This guy had shaky moments throughout the season but the talent is there. The moment i realized how good he is was in the Oakland game when he was injured and we didn't have him anymore. He was clearly a cut above the other guys.

You should go back and watch again. Campbell was a flat out beast after Amini left the game so good in fact that I and a few others believed he should start. The problem came from the right side of the line that game.

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You should go back and watch again. Campbell was a flat out beast after Amini left the game so good in fact that I and a few others believed he should start. The problem came from the right side of the line that game.

Yeah I remember him. Cam was getting creamed in that game. I don't have the files on that particular game but I remember the Boger incident happening after a blitz from the left.

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You should go back and watch again. Campbell was a flat out beast after Amini left the game so good in fact that I and a few others believed he should start. The problem came from the right side of the line that game.

Campbell played 22 snaps, and scored a -0.7 PFF grade. Thomas Austin played 40 snaps and was the one getting abused. Amini only played 2 snaps.

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Round 1 Pick 9: Luke Kuechley - A+

Round 2 Pick 40: Amini Silatolu - B

Round 4 Pick 103: Frank Alexander - B

Round 4 Pick 104: Joe Adams - F

Round 5 Pick 143: Josh Norman - D

Round 6 Pick 207: Brad Nortman - C-

Round 7 Pick 216: D.J. Cambell - C+

I'm nowhere near as ready to write Joe Adams off as the rest of you. Fumbling is a correctable problem, just look at Tiki Barber. You can't teach those YAC skills, though. And Norman's problem was that teams kept picking on him and he was afraid to challenge them back, but I'm high on him as well.

This will be a stellar draft class, I believe.

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I'm nowhere near as ready to write Joe Adams off as the rest of you. Fumbling is a correctable problem, just look at Tiki Barber. You can't teach those YAC skills, though.

That grade wasn't what I think their potential is.

It was their grade considering the value that they provided the team for the 2012 season.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Wilson in the 6th has done a pretty good job on Special Teams. I also believe Pilares is better than most give him credit for.. outside of that though, meh. 2 were cut from the team, 2 went on IR, 1 should be and most likely will be cut,

...and SuperCam.

Pretty weak overall draft past the first round.

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