Do you think teams thats at the top half of the league would hire Mike Shula as their OC?

[Malt Liquor]

I just don't think so? This organization has made more bad choices than good. I will always be a panthers fan but fu*k it is so frustrating. Its like for every good move we make, we make a terrible one. Its like having a child you love dearly but they constantly fu*k up. I don't know? as long as Jerry Richardson is the owner of this team the Carolina Panthers will always be AVERAGE AT BEST. He will never win a superbowl as an owner. And I hope I'm Wrong... but I don't think I am. He makes too many ass backwards, non-aggressive decisions

[Kevin Greene]

Well in the late 90s he was the OC with the Bucs for 4 years.

No one else has been wiling to give him another try.

Until now.

[JawnyBlaze]

Very few other teams, top half or not, would even give Shula an interview. The top half guys would laugh in his face if he threw his name in the hat for an open OC position.

[TruCatzFan]

Very few other teams, top half or not, would even give Shula an interview. The top half guys would laugh in his face if he threw his name in the hat for an open OC position.

Can't wait for him to prove all of you wrong. There's sticking to something out of principle... And then there's going overboard.

You have not applied any type of common sense to this hire at all.

Just for shits and giggles...

I'd love to hear what you would have done if you we're JR...

Who would you have hired? What would you have done?

[BEASTfromdaEAST]

No but thats why i like the move.......as stupid as that sounds

[teeray]

Top half teams probably wouldn't be in the market for an OC unless they got hired as a head coach. And if that happened, many of them would promote from within.

That is what New England did when Weiss left and I think when McDaniels left.

[rscott94]

Can't wait for him to prove all of you wrong. There's sticking to something out of principle... And then there's going overboard.

You have not applied any type of common sense to this hire at all.

Just for shits and giggles...

I'd love to hear what you would have done if you we're JR...

Who would you have hired? What would you have done?

I respect your opinon and I hope Shula proves me wrong...

It wasn't JR who hired Shula it was Gettleman/Rivera

I would've hired Hue Jackson as OC, Skipper as RB coach, Ricky Prohel as WR coach, Bobby April as ST coach (nothing wrong with the Rogers promotion IMO), and Bobby Babich as LB coach. Really I'm not happy with the Shula hire but since we're promoting him I feel we should hire a QB coach having him be the OC and QB coach may be too much on him

[JawnyBlaze]

Who would you have hired? What would you have done?

First of all it was Rivera's hire, not JR's. and what would I have done? I wouldn't have been afraid of Norv stealing my job and I would have aggressively gone after him. If Norv turned me down I would have aggressively pursued Whisenhunt or Jackson. I don't care if Whisenhunt ran a different scheme or not. As long as it's not a WCO or something that would not fit Cam or the rest of the offense it's not a problem. Whisenhunt or Jackson would be our new OC, Whisenhunt if Jackson's rumored personality problems looked legit or Jackson if they felt Whisenhunt's offense doesn't suit Cam & co.

In addition to that I would have aggressively pursued Toub as our ST coach. If he wasnt interested, I would have gone with April, who they interviewed and chose one of the architects of last years ST unit over.

[JawnyBlaze]

Argh rscott you said pretty much the same thing as me while I was in the middle of typing it. I blame my wife for calling me and wanting to chat while I was typing my post up :P

[Brooklyn Bully]

Can't wait for him to prove all of you wrong. There's sticking to something out of principle... And then there's going overboard.

You have not applied any type of common sense to this hire at all.

Just for shits and giggles...

I'd love to hear what you would have done if you we're JR...

Who would you have hired? What would you have done?

Hired someone with better experience and a better track record. Shula, while knowing Cam well, has been part of this fail of a team. In Tampa, he was a failure. BIG DEAL, he knows Cam. That's not a reason to promote. You hire the best possible candidate. There WERE better candidates than Shula. That is a fact. I think the reason Shula was promoted was due to politics.

[rscott94]

Argh rscott you said pretty much the same thing as me while I was in the middle of typing it. I blame my wife for calling me and wanting to chat while I was typing my post up :P

Great minds think a like my friend

[lightsout]

Here is why (in theory) promoting Shula is the right call. As the QBs coach, he HAD to learn Chud's playbook in order to teach Cam. Cam has to have retained a lot of those plays, as well as the other players, as well as Shula. We stick with the same offense that has been working, and the easiest way to do that is to hire within.

Now, we just have to see if Shula can call plays at the right time in the right situation. Honestly, his biggest help will be Cam. He needs to give Cam the keys to the Porsche and let him drive that offense a bit. Call audibles, even call some plays in the huddle himself. If that happens, I think we are fine (at the very least, we stay about where we finished this past season, which isn't bad).

All of this is moot if I'm dead wrong and Shula just can't call plays at all. If he has no anticipation, if he has no idea how to effectively set up a nice script sheet to start games, THEN we are screwed. Right now, I am optimistic. Not ecstatic at the hire, but optimistic. We'll see during the preseason and early in the regular season if he has the chops for it. It won't take long to see. I think the smart move right now is to improve the OL for Cam's sake and to beef up the defense, just in case Shula bombs on us.

[JawnyBlaze]

Here is why (in theory) promoting Shula is the right call. As the QBs coach, he HAD to learn Chud's playbook in order to teach Cam. Cam has to have retained a lot of those plays, as well as the other players, as well as Shula. We stick with the same offense that has been working, and the easiest way to do that is to hire within.

Now, we just have to see if Shula can call plays at the right time in the right situation. Honestly, his biggest help will be Cam. He needs to give Cam the keys to the Porsche and let him drive that offense a bit. Call audibles, even call some plays in the huddle himself. If that happens, I think we are fine (at the very least, we stay about where we finished this past season, which isn't bad).

All of this is moot if I'm dead wrong and Shula just can't call plays at all. If he has no anticipation, if he has no idea how to effectively set up a nice script sheet to start games, THEN we are screwed. Right now, I am optimistic. Not ecstatic at the hire, but optimistic. We'll see during the preseason and early in the regular season if he has the chops for it. It won't take long to see. I think the smart move right now is to improve the OL for Cam's sake and to beef up the defense, just in case Shula bombs on us.

At least you have a rational defense of your opinion and reasonable expectations, not "it's right because they did it you fake ass fans blarghhhhhhhhhh"

[Snake]

Just when I thought Rivera was getting his poo together he goes out and hires no one. Its going to be a very long time before he ever gets a head coaching job ever again.