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Keenan Allen Pro Day Tommorow.

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TANTRIC-NINJA Community Regular

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Well I was one of those who championed Newton in 2011 and Kuechly in 2012, and I clearly don't see Allen anywhere close to either of those 2. In fact the lack of exceptional talent in the first and the depth of the draft have made me somewhat ambivalent about who to champion this year. But anyone who thinks a receiver who is not heads and shoulders above the others when 100% is worth a top 15 pick when he can't even run all the drills and admits he is only 75% after 5 months of rehab is thinking with his heart and not his head.

And using Jerry Rice's 4.71 to justify drafting an injured receiver is like saying that we should only draft quarterbacks in the 6th round because that is where Tom Brady was drafted.

Wow i was going to point out taking Jerry Rice's 4.71 40 time as an outlier from a guy in the 80's.

Also was going to make a point about Brady with the same logic...I am afraid your using Inception on me!

When most the Wrs are similar and the guy you champion has DR. James Andrews speaking for him... you run!!! The last thing we need is to draft a Dewayne Jarrett 2.0 with Brandon Hogan knees(I know its not a ACL for Allen)

Hopkins explodes out of his cuts which makes his route running exceptional along with hands and understanding of zones.

Allen in healty game film does not explode and there is a lot of jump ball catches ala DEWAYNE JARRETT who was incredible in the same Pac 10.

A WR with little seperation, peed and injury issues is just a guy you have to pass on.

LOL at his punt returning ability..poohing on Austin as a third round talent then praising Allen for his punt returning ability is a clear reality disconnect.

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Wow i was going to point out taking Jerry Rive's 4.71 40 time as an outlier from a guy in the 80's.

Also was going to make a point about Brady with the same logic...I am afraid your using Inception on me!

When most the Wrs are similar and the guy you champion has DR. James Andrews speaking for him... you run!!! The last thing we need is to draft a Dewayne Jarrett 2.0 with Brandon Hogan knees(I know its not a ACL for Allen)

Hopkins explodes out of his cuts which makes his route running exceptional along with hands and understanding of zones.

Allen in healty game film does not explode and there is a lot of jump ball catches ala DEWAYNE JARRETT who was incredible in the same Pac 10.

A WR with little seperation, peed and injury issues is just a guy you have to pass on.

LOL at his punt returning ability..poohing on Austin as a third round talent then praising Allen for his punt returning ability is a clear reality disconnect.

Great minds think alike, LOL. I have to admit that I haven't followed Hopkins as much as you have but I do like the fact that he is healthy, really performed last year and was the all around yardage leader

at Clemson.

03/16/2013 - 2013 Clemson Pro Day: DeAndre Hopkins, WR (6-1 1/4; 210 pounds) - "He's going to be the most evaluated player in the draft because he plays faster than his speed indicates," NFL.com's Gil Brandt said. "He was an excellent basketball player. He's got really soft hands and knows how to position his body. He's probably going to be a second-round pick." Hopkins had times of 4.58 and 4.57 seconds in the 40-yard dash. He was timed at 6.83 seconds in the three-cone drill. His vertical jump, broad jump and bench were all the same as from combine. - Gil Brandt, NFL.com

BTW Mayock is now mocking Allen to go anywhere from 25 to 45. He is on his nuts and still wouldn't pull the trigger at 14...... LOL

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As already said, 4.71 is a bad 40 time for a WR. On the other hand, it won't let GM's drop out on him, they'll just check his speed on tape more closely. No doubt he plays faster than that 4.71.

For me thought, none of this WR-class is a no-brainer at #14. Later in the first maybe, but at #14, I'd rather take a DT.

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As already said, 4.71 is a bad 40 time for a WR. On the other hand, it won't let GM's drop out on him, they'll just check his speed on tape more closely. No doubt he plays faster than that 4.71.

For me thought, none of this WR-class is a no-brainer at #14. Later in the first maybe, but at #14, I'd rather take a DT.

Yes because all of the DTS expected to be on the board at 14 are slam dunks there.....smh.....

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Even though I know you guys are making an extreme counterpoint about Jarrett and Allen as opposed to Allen/Rice being the same size and speed and etc., there is so much more to compare players by. Allen is most definitely nothing like Jarrett off field. Allen has great work ethic, probably a more humble quieter person than Jarrett was, and can be a leader. Last night when I was listening to all the stuff about Allen's pro day another name was brought up for comparison: Cris Carter. I also really don't think you can put Allen's injury in the same ball park as a lot of other red flag guys with knee injuries in college. The fact that his tear didn't require surgery is a big difference for me. Also the fact that the knee itself has checked out at 100% while he continues to gain strength back in the rest of the leg sounds perfectly fine. Allen's gonna be a great pro, especially if he has Cam throwing him the ball.

At the same time I keep having an itch that it'll be Hopkins. Either way I fully expect one of them to be on our team and tearing it up next season. With Cam going into year 3, having Smith, Olsen, and to an extent LaFell or Hixon out on the field in any combination with a high round WR, I think we'll be spreading out defenses like crazy this year. As long as the rookie isn't a complete bust, he should have a great season. We're in a great place for a rookie to come in and get some quality confidence reps while he prepares to turn into 'the guy'.

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Not because of that, but:

1) DT is a larger need

2) deep WR class, I'm quite sure we should be able to snag a playmaker with our 2nd pick

DT is also pretty deep. Jenkins, B. Williams, S. Williams, Short all will be good players out of the second round. At this point the two guys I want the most are Allen or Cyprien.
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I know I would really like to see Allen taken at 14, but I just don't see it now. If Patterson or Austin fell to us I am positive we would pull the trigger. But we have been on a decent trend of hitting in the first round. Allen isn't exactly a guaranteed producer. There are some question marks there, with the injury and speed.

If he fell to the 2nd round I am positive we would take him. But in the first round, looks like we could get a more reliable impact player at DT, safety, or OL if Patterson and Austin are gone.

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4.7 - 4.8 depending on who was timing. Way too many questions to take at 14, especially with the lack of picks we have.

From GBNreport

April 9

(8:00 PM): Cal WR struggles at special pro day ... California WR Keenan Allen finally got a chance to workout for NFL teams at a special pro day earlier today. Unfortunately, scouts probably don't know much more at this hour than they did this morning as Allen, who has been rehabbing from a PCL injury suffered late last year, wasn't all that impressive as he reportedly ran the 40 somewhere in the 4.7-4.8 range. Its hard to know how much that will hurt Allen's draft grade as NFL teams already know he's not a blazer; they also him to get faster as he gets healthier. Still, it makes Allen, who has been considered to be a top 20 prospect, something of a wildcard who could potentially slip deeper into the opening round. .

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