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Cam wants a run game

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Everyone who knows what Rivera and Gettleman talk about every day can keep telling us who is doing what and we will believe them. The rest of you keep arguing about something you have no clue about. It is correct that GM's are over coaches and they typically can pretty much do and say anything they want within reason. Based on the what I have read and seen, I assume that Gettleman will have final say on all matters and can get as involved in gameplanning and decision making as he wants. But exactly what Gettleman and Rivera's role are now and will become based on whether we win or lose remains to be seen. I bet they don't even know what exactly they will do in the Fall right now? So anyone saying they know absolutely how it is or who will do what, are speculating at best.

carry on..................

Pretty sure in Carolina coaches coach. GMs are GMs. Until something proves otherwise.

All the sudden we hire Dave Gettlemen and people are giving a first year GM near historical power off imagination. I can see it now, week 1 Cam runs a read option to comeback and beat Sea week 1 in the closing seconds. Gettlemen fanboys will say, "wow, what a creative playcall by Dave. Rivera never could of come up with that. What a smokescreen by ole DG he sure fooled them "

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Everyone who knows what Rivera and Gettleman talk about every day can keep telling us who is doing what and we will believe them.  The rest of you keep arguing about something you have no clue about.  It is correct that GM's are over coaches and they typically can pretty much do and say anything they want within reason. Based on the what I have read and seen, I  assume that Gettleman will have final say on all matters and can get as involved in gameplanning and decision making as he wants. But exactly what Gettleman and Rivera's role are now and will become based on whether we win or lose remains to be seen.  I bet they don't even know what exactly they will do in the Fall right now?  So anyone saying they know absolutely how it is or who will do what,  are speculating at best.

 

carry on..................

 

That's pretty much what I was hinting at earlier...  couldn't agree more.

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Beyond that they need to target opponents weaknesses. Have you ever seen an offensive coordinator abuse a rookie? Or a vet with a bum hamstring? I can't remember that ever happening in Carolina.

 

Well this starts with the head coach. Rivera has to get more aggressive and coach with some balls.

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The Panthers need a balanced attack. Beyond that they need to target opponents weaknesses. Have you ever seen an offensive coordinator abuse a rookie? Or a vet with a bum hamstring? I can't remember that ever happening in Carolina.

Although Smoot wasn't a rookie, I think Smitty abused him pretty good.

 

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Everyone who knows what Rivera and Gettleman talk about every day can keep telling us who is doing what and we will believe them.  The rest of you keep arguing about something you have no clue about.  It is correct that GM's are over coaches and they typically can pretty much do and say anything they want within reason. Based on the what I have read and seen, I  assume that Gettleman will have final say on all matters and can get as involved in gameplanning and decision making as he wants. But exactly what Gettleman and Rivera's role are now and will become based on whether we win or lose remains to be seen.  I bet they don't even know what exactly they will do in the Fall right now?  So anyone saying they know absolutely how it is or who will do what,  are speculating at best.

 

carry on..................

 

so what is the success rate of a GM getting involved with game planning and how often has it happened?

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so what is the success rate of a GM getting involved with game planning and how often has it happened?

 

GM's don't get involved with the gameplanning.  They hire coaches that run the system they want run.  What they might do is make suggestions for what they want, such as a particular player needs to be more or less involved or the offense needs to be more balanced.  But they don't actually get into the specific gameplanning...quite frankly, no GM has the time (and for the most part expertise) to get particularly deep into the specifics of what the coach is or isn't doing.  That's why they hire the guy that's going to do what they want without having to micro manage. 

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GM's don't get involved with the gameplanning.  They hire coaches that run the system they want run.  What they might do is make suggestions for what they want, such as a particular player needs to be more or less involved or the offense needs to be more balanced.  But they don't actually get into the specific gameplanning...quite frankly, no GM has the time (and for the most part expertise) to get particularly deep into the specifics of what the coach is or isn't doing.  That's why they hire the guy that's going to do what they want without having to micro manage. 

 

i know, that was my point.

 

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so what is the success rate of a GM getting involved with game planning and how often has it happened?

Ricardson got involved with the gameplanning so why wouldn't the GM.  What most of you confuse is gameplanning with playcalling or designing plays.

Richardson said stop running the read option and go to a more traditional running game.  That is gameplanning.

It isn't micromanagement or designing plays for a particular game but there is more than 1 kind of gameplanning. It isn't gameplanning like looking a particular defense and designing plays to beat that.  Frankly head coaches don't do that either much of the time.  Coordinators do.  But in the sense that the GM is in control of the big picture they do tell the coach what they want to see and the head coach tells the coordinator what they want to see. That is giving directions and gameplanning but in a more global sense.

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GM's don't get involved with the gameplanning.  They hire coaches that run the system they want run.  What they might do is make suggestions for what they want, such as a particular player needs to be more or less involved or the offense needs to be more balanced.  But they don't actually get into the specific gameplanning...quite frankly, no GM has the time (and for the most part expertise) to get particularly deep into the specifics of what the coach is or isn't doing.  That's why they hire the guy that's going to do what they want without having to micro manage. 

Your line 3 is gameplanning.  Head coaches don't micromanage either but they do help the coordinator with the game plan just like Rivera did  in 2012.  Depends on the level of game planning you are talking about.  But to say they don;t get involved in not likely true.  The issue is how involved.

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