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Tight Ends - Ton o Talent, will we use it?

QuasiYoda

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You acted like a two year old with my opinion on why the TEs can't be called stud.

I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK I LIKE IT.

Fail.

I am done now talking about this in this thread, because this is an actual topic, and a good one.

I apologize to the rest of the participants in this thread for the hijacking.

who hijacked it fireball. The OP mentioned Jake Delhomme and if the new coach could get him into the swing of using the TE's more.

you are insane

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I know it was college but I did watch some vids on GB in college around draft time and did specifically look for his blocking ability. He wasn't bad really. Certainly he was competent. Jeff D needs to bust out the Daniel Graham vids for them. That dude is a MUTHA of a blocker.

I agree about Barnidge's blocking. To me, his biggest problem was his size and strength, which he supposedly has improved upon. When I saw him block in college, he usually had good position and technique, but sometimes got pushed back by bigger rushers. At the second level, though, he seemed to be much more effective. So I have faith that he can become a solid blocker for us, and as long as he can keep his speed and quickness he could be a real weapon as a receiver as well.

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Keep in mind that 2008 was the first year that Davidson worked with the offense with all its pieces intact. He had great success in a number of areas. This year will be a continuation of that. I hopefully expect us to begin to develop plays which stretch the field and find the mismatches that Davidson talked about when he came here. Last year we upgraded our rushing attack. This year with Jarrett maturing, Barnidge hopefully developing, the return of Robinson, Carter and the addition of Goodsen, our receiver corps will equal our running attack. You can't compare what we did 2 or 3 years ago with what we can do now. We have upgraded our offense and giving Davidson the weapons he needs to succeed. Tight end has always been an after thought. Barnidge is the first guy who has the potential of a Witten or Gonzales. He is still raw but has the speed and hands to catch the ball and stretch the field.

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I don't want Jake throwing any more than 20-25 passes a game, and I may be misunderstanding, but twice the number of passes to the TEs sounds like a 30+ pass game.

We are also a running team that eats up the clock with every play for the most part. That's not a big play game plan (even though the RBs do it), and I hope we see more short passes to the TEs and receivers. Passing as needed, hitting big plays occasionally to keep the secondary on their heels, eating up every second we can, and keeping the game in our control.

You're afraid of Jake OK. But the Coaches aren't afraid of him. I see this team as having a dual threat offense. There will be games where the passing game is clicking, games where the running game is clicking, but most will have each setting the other up.

There is a big difference between throwing 35 times because you are way behind and throwing 35 times because the offensive coordinator has the defense guessing wrong time after time. Hitting them where they ain't

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who hijacked it fireball. The OP mentioned Jake Delhomme and if the new coach could get him into the swing of using the TE's more.

you are insane

I was the one who apologized. Usually when one apologizes, they are doing it on their own behalf. Sorry that was unclear for some reason. :rolleyes:

I agree about Barnidge's blocking. To me, his biggest problem was his size and strength, which he supposedly has improved upon. When I saw him block in college, he usually had good position and technique, but sometimes got pushed back by bigger rushers. At the second level, though, he seemed to be much more effective. So I have faith that he can become a solid blocker for us, and as long as he can keep his speed and quickness he could be a real weapon as a receiver as well.

Glad you chimed in this thread Woodie (always am). When someone with your level of knowledge sees what I saw (of course you know more of the details while I just saw results) I feel better about what I saw. Makes sense to me that bulk would play a part since you observed that he is better against the second level. He did seem a bit gazelle like for a TE.

i'm not afraid of Jake. It's just proven(stats) that the team is better when the passing attempts are ~25.

All teams are unless they have a top ten scoring defense. I had a bit of research in some other thread. Throwing more than 30+ is usually a better indicator of your defense being subpar (whether all the time or in specific games) than anything else.

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i'm not afraid of Jake. It's just proven(stats) that the team is better when the passing attempts are ~25.

Cool

Though you have to admit things are changing with that offense. The strong running game changes everything. The more they stack the box the better the passing game gets, And also the more Jake passes to different receivers, tight ends & running backs the better the passing games gets as defenses have to spread themselves even thinner.

This team has been getting Polished and Refined, not restructured so not a lot of back to square one loss of momemtum

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I see TE and RB's out of backfield as BIG weapons this season.

Davidsons was able to show a pounding duo running attack last season.

This season teams have had the off season to study and make adjustments with plays and new players .

Davidson should also be doing the same ,By installing more dump passes to TE & RB's

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It seems it could partly be a gameplan thing too. I just watched the GB game replay and the announcers talked about how the Cats really wanted to use a lot of RBs catching on those swing passes in that game. They did do more than usual.

This is a big strike/downfield type offense though. TEs & RBs aren't going to be as big of a part of this O pass catching wise than they would in say a WCO.

That said, when the talent dictates such, the usage should change somewhat.

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Stay on topic numbskulls.

I actually question how great our talent at TE is.

King is Solid to Good

Rosario is Awful to Awesome

Barnbridge is completely unknown quantity.

i agree it's just a collection of 5th rounders that haven't really proven that much abou their talent.

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How about letting it go . . . .

OK. It's not like she will ever answer me with something that makes sense anyway.

BTW the thread does bring up some interesting thoughts but key to me is that there has been a considerable change in the type of player we are going after at the TE spot. That is encouraging as it tells me that maybe the offense will begin to open up a bit more. Opening up the offense is what the team has needed for some time in my opinion. As much as it seems like I bash the QB, I really hope he gets it done.

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