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Jim Miller and Pat Kirwan on Cam


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But that's exactly what you're doing

No I am looking at this being his third year and he is still making the same mistakes he did as a rookie.  His leadership skills have improved, even his decision making most of the time has improved based on fewer picks, but he still misses wide open guys for no reason. 

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You don't get it and I can't make you. What do those three have in common? They can scramble and extend plays. So a lot of times when you say Cam is holding the ball too long he is actually extending the play and making something out of what would be nothing by most qbs. Like the throw to Lafell when he was being sacked last week.

Also take in account the routes that are being run. If they're slow developing plays that's not Cam that's Shula.

Like my sig says i can't understand it for you or the other apologists.  Sometimes Cam is extending the play when heat comes and making a good play.  Other times he has a guy wide open and doesn't even see him or know where he should be and holds the ball looking for Smith or Olsen  The difference here is that I can readily admit that Cam does make good plays some of the time and other times he is awful while you do nothing but make excuses.

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I was just listening to Rich Gannon  on NFl Sirius picking the games this weekend. He started off talking about all the stats that Cam has had in his first 2 years and complimenting him but then goes on to say he is still missing wide open guys and making too many mistakes.  He picked the Giants saying they have the better quarterback and that will be the difference.

 

Another quarterback guru stating the obvious. Stating the same thing I have said in this thread over and over. 

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So are there people in this thread who are actually trying to claim this team has a decent supporting cast around Newton or is it just P55 doing his usual song and dance?

I am saying you are trolling which is your usual song and dance.  Go to the Redskins board if they haven't kicked you out yet.

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What you and other apologists conveniently forget is that we drafted receivers in 2010.  Lafell, Gettis, and Edwards.  2 of which are on the squad this year and expected to contribute.  With Olsen and now picking up Ginn and Hixon we have brought in a number of receivers to help.  Sure it was years ago but Olsen and Ginn were both first rounders.  And Ginn is not purely a returner.  That 40 yard touchdown last week looked pretty legit to me.  That also includes a number 1 receiver in Smitty who has still not slowed down.

 

The only one telling fairy tales are all the apologists who keep trying to blame everyone except where the blame belongs.  All of it?  Of course not, but the notion we haven't built around Cam is plain ridiculous. The only reason we added more pieces lately to the defense was because it sucked worse than the offense not because there is some conspiracy around Cam.

 

Why would I be concerned about what we did in 2010? Have you forgotten how awful that draft was?

 

Lafell has plenty of potential but is inconsistent, and even now in his contract year hasn't shown he is up to the task as of yet. Armanti, are you kidding? Most of this board had a coronary when he made the 53 over Gettis.

 

Ginn has impressed, but him and Hixon were still band aids. Ginn is still currently our returner. Hixon was supposed to be the bigger receiving contributor between the two. It's not looking good for that possibility so far yet.

 

Out come the labels. If you weren't ranting and calling people "nut huggers" or "apologists" I'd be worried.

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Aaaaannnnd we get down to the root of the problem. Which he refuses to even see.

Yeah the problem is that people here are trying so hard to excuse Cam for everything they can't see honest criticism when it occurs and try and make wild exaggerations in order to try and support their point.

Am I saying that our offensive support for Cam is terrific?  No

Am I saying the offense line is great?  No

Am I saying Shula is a great coordinator?  Too early to tell either way.

Am I saying the offensive woes are all on Newton?  No

 

Do I support him every home game by rooting for his success, wearing his jersey and yelling my butt off in the stands? Yes on all counts.  Do I defend him from baseless criticism when people talk about poor leadership, sulking, or not being smart enough to  play football.   Yes I have on numerous occasions.

 

I also criticize him when it is not only obvious but known by every quarterback guru and  expert out there (not ESPN or talking heads) yes.  I could go to any message board in the world outside Charlotte but this one and it wouldn't be a debate.  Only on Panther sites do apologists line up to make excuses.

 

But I am done, I have  clients to see and obviously this will go on for pages more with apologists filling pages making excuses.  

 

I hope after Sunday we can all agree that Cam had a great game and has made progress from the past 2 weeks. In any case we can agree  we want to see the Panthers beat the Giants. 

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I am saying you are trolling which is your usual song and dance.  Go to the Redskins board if they haven't kicked you out yet.

 

lol Redskins board? What is this even supposed to mean?

 

"Hrmph! You're prolly a fan of all them confoundit black runny Qbs aintcha Growl?!"

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