PFF Looks At Final Play (And Blames Norman)

[fieryprophet]

Hardy has disappeared.

Olsen is as good as we thought he would be, not better.

Gamble, no comment.

Johnson, I will give you.

Kuechly, not buying it, he got better with position change, not coaching.

Star, previously projected #1 doing well? Kind of expected.

Me and you 'till the end FP but I want to see discernible improvement, not improvement that can be possibly attributed to a human being being one year older.

I will let it go, you win.

Rivera and staff are doing well. I just don't see it.

The one area I'm really wondering where the heck the coaching staff has been is the offensive line. Bell took a small step forward last year but has looked almost as bad as his rookie self this year. Silatolu made strides late last season and now seems to have fallen off, Gross has continued to decline (to be expected with age) and Hangartner was a weak link that got cut and now is probably being begged to return. I can understand the secondary being abysmal because the talent back there is just not on par with the rest of the league, and as a whole the front seven has improved from its atrocious state in 2011 (even if a lot can be attributed to talent and not coaching) but the offensive line just seems to have dissipated.

[bleys]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/09/18/analysis-notebook-week-2-2/

So, to illustrate why Norman hasn't been starting despite his preseason showing, it's apparent that he is still struggling to understand situational coverages. While some here will blame coaching for him failing to recognize the obvious, notice that DJ Moore, who is a newcomer to the Panthers defense, knew exactly what was going on.

I don't think the concept was difficult to understand, but Moore has also had years for the game to slow down despite changing defenses. That particular aspect has less to do with overall scheme and more so having presence of mind to adapt to a simple concept on the fly.

If anything it tells me Norman's state of mind may still be swimming, which isn't that hard to believe.

[SIGCHI222]

The one area I'm really wondering where the heck the coaching staff has been is the offensive line. Bell took a small step forward last year but has looked almost as bad as his rookie self this year. Silatolu made strides late last season and now seems to have fallen off, Gross has continued to decline (to be expected with age) and Hangartner was a weak link that got cut and now is probably being begged to return. I can understand the secondary being abysmal because the talent back there is just not on par with the rest of the league, and as a whole the front seven has improved from its atrocious state in 2011 (even if a lot can be attributed to talent and not coaching) but the offensive line just seems to have dissipated.

 

OK. Even if we disagree on everything I wrote, I agree with everything you wrote.  And it all involves coaching.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The coaching, which was determined by a previous regime, sucked ass then and they suck ass now.

 

We agree more than you think.

 

Love ya FP.

 

KEEP POUNDING!!!!!!!

[bleys]

And there was absolutely no reason to call a timeout when Norman was simply told to hold his ground on a switch (smash concept).. Rivera would have had to see Norman blatantly lost in the moment which I don't think was possible from his vantage point.

I don't think this timeout chatter holds much perspective.

[Swaggasaurus]

Ron had two time outs and didn't use one. How about be a coach and help your young guys if you see there is a problem. I guess it is more beneficial to finish the game with those two time outs then to actually use them when needed.

There was no problem. DJ Moore knew the goddamn play and told Norman who ignored it. It was a perfect situation if another player besides Norman was out there.

[AceBoogie]

Josh Norman sucks ahhhh it feels so good to be able to say that around here and not get bitched out. You guys are just now starting to realize what some of us pointed out last year.

[MHS831]

While this is a dead horse by now, If Norman ever played man-to-man in basketball, the concept of switching is rather simple and occurs naturally on most blacktops across this great nation of ours and in some parts of Europe.

 

I have noticed too much that our DBs seem to call each other out after giving up a big pass play.  They look lost or confused.  One problem about carrying so many DBs for so long is the coaching and instruction gets watered down.  In addition, with injuries guys are asked to step in at strange positions or where they had few reps. 

 

 

[AceBoogie]

While this is a dead horse by now, If Norman ever played man-to-man in basketball, the concept of switching is rather simple and occurs naturally on most blacktops across this great nation of ours and in some parts of Europe.

I have noticed too much that our DBs seem to call each other out after giving up a big pass play. They look lost or confused. One problem about carrying so many DBs for so long is the coaching and instruction gets watered down. In addition, with injuries guys are asked to step in at strange positions or where they had few reps.

They've been practicing since June that's no excuse

[MHS831]

They've been practicing since June that's no excuse

 

I agree that it is no excuse.  They are pros, and I would get upset if high schoolers did it.  My point was that the coaching staff feels they can throw numbers at a position instead of coaching it up. When you have 9 CBs through camp, many do not get reps. When you keep 6 on the roster, many do not get reps.

 

Norman and Moore were not starters.  Were they ready?  Sounds like Moore was. I think Norman is a street baller who has severe limitations as an NFL CB.  He is not a good tackler and he runs a 4.6 40.  He gives huge cushions to accommodate this.   I have seen him not release his man when he has safety help and I have seen him release his man when there was no safety help.  I think he is as dumb as a door.

[SevenSixes]

Rivera loves to take timeouts home with him for some reason.

 

He uses them to buy the tears and rage of Panther fans..

 

Both tasty and priceless..

[Darth Biscuit]

Still beating the dead horse, I'll join in...

 

With your DB's in disarray due to in-game injuries... let's throw the whole game on them with 1:30 left...  sound coaching decisions FTL.

 

 

Norman fuged up bc Rivera put him in a situation to fug up.

[teeray]

I never care to hear about this play again

[AceBoogie]

I agree that it is no excuse. They are pros, and I would get upset if high schoolers did it. My point was that the coaching staff feels they can throw numbers at a position instead of coaching it up. When you have 9 CBs through camp, many do not get reps. When you keep 6 on the roster, many do not get reps.

Norman and Moore were not starters. Were they ready? Sounds like Moore was. I think Norman is a street baller who has severe limitations as an NFL CB. He is not a good tackler and he runs a 4.6 40. He gives huge cushions to accommodate this. I have seen him not release his man when he has safety help and I have seen him release his man when there was no safety help. I think he is as dumb as a door.

Norman played more this preseason than anyone else on the team. No excuse for him not to be ready. I honestly don't know why he's still on the team. If Rivera really wanted to save his job he would have cut him. I can think of 3 losses in the last two years that was his fault just off the top of my head. This bills game, last year against the falcons and bears and I'm sure there were more.

[AceBoogie]

Still beating the dead horse, I'll join in...

With your DB's in disarray due to in-game injuries... let's throw the whole game on them with 1:30 left... sound coaching decisions FTL.

Norman fuged up bc Rivera put him in a situation to fug up.

Norman sucks yes but your right it's Riveras job to know that he sucks. I don't know how in the hell you have more faith in Norman than Cam. That's essentially what Rivera told us by not letting Cam get the 1 yard.