RGIII: "Media trying to Character Assassinate Me"

[Ace_Aladdin]

RGIII is going through a sophomore slump & is getting his Ego checked back to reality but i expect him to rebound in year 3 ...

This is just a maturation process that will help become a better Player.

[QueensKing]

I wouldn't even call it a black qb thing. You look at most young white qbs and they tend to keep a low profile. Cam called himself an entertainer and icon, RG3 was "all in for week one". Some of the criticism might be a little racially biased but for the most part a lot of it is self inflicted. RG3 had all the commercials and promotions of himself this offseason when he should have kept a low profile.

The Golden Calf of Bristol is probably the most criticized qb of this decade and he's white. What do these qbs have in common? Dual threat. So it's not a "black qb treatment" it's with all dual threat qbs. They criticize them for being athletes and not true qbs until proven wrong. That's why it's good to keep a low profile like Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck. Hell EJ Manuel isn't lighting the world on fire but he keeps a low profile so you never hear about him. Unlike Geno Smith who yapped off at the mouth after he was drafted. Now that he's not backing it up he's criticized.

 

I think that there's a little truth, and some reaching to this argument, but to me it's mainly the level of and type of criticism, that differs.  We have an extreme with Cam, he probably has the shortest leash of all players in the NFL which is completely undeserved.  There are players who have "attitude" problems who display emotions on par and much beyond anything that Cam has ever done, yet they are not fixated upon like Cam.  Cam has learned that the media isn't his friend, RG3 needs to learn that too. 

 

There is a certain animosity towards "running QBs" since their success, in NCAA and NFL is signaling the end of an era to some.  I disagree, but there are many people who guarantee that a running QB will never win a championship, we hear it all the time, "that style of play won't last."  Well, running QB also goes hand in hand with black QB in some conversations.  Luck gets the benefit of the doubt since he's what is standing in the way of the new era of players, and those who see the huge threat of Cameron Newton and are going all in on him not being able to acieve succes

 

All the haters from day one are scrambling to find flaws and to find someone who is going to be better to Cam, so   The players dominating in college are also running QBs.  Some can't handle this, it can be argued many ways, but sometimes obvious is obvious.  When people have to dig so deep to find an explanation sometimes the easiest is the hardest to admit.

 

The Golden Calf of Bristol wasn't criticized like Cam period.  He was talked about and loved, and most of the media genuinely wanted him to do well, he just wasn't capable of it and was beyond horrible.  Imagine if Cam played like Timmy.  There was talk that had The Golden Calf of Bristol looked a little different, there was no way in hell that he'd ever be given the chance to be an NFL QB, and I do agree with that.  The things never said about The Golden Calf of Bristol were actually said about Cam while the reverse was actually true, especially in regards to mental capability!

 

How I always approach topics of race is with this simple question.  If the roles were reversed, if this player was of a different race, would he be given the same treatment?  Doesn't mean that it's "racist" but it's identifying the perception of society that exists everywhere, and many times I have to say that the treatment would be completely different.  It's all subjective, but it's not totally irrelevant.

[csx]

Just like clockwork, Bully and csx.

I wonder just how pathetic their lives ACTUALLY are that they have to use an internet message board to make them feel so much superior than others.

Reading the hypocrisy and hatred here doesnt make me feel good about anything.

[teeray]

The media loves The Golden Calf of Bristol.

It is scouts and GMs that hate him.

As a QB that is.

[FootballMaestro]

No way in hell he should have won Rookie of the year. Russel Wilson got robbed. Kirk Cousins came in and won two of those games. Including the game winning td and two point conversion against Baltimore. No guarantee RG3 makes those plays and no guarantee he beats the browns. Without those wins they don't make the playoffs.

 

Fair Enough!!  :thumbsu:

[Originalman]

I wouldn't even call it a black qb thing. You look at most young white qbs and they tend to keep a low profile. Cam called himself an entertainer and icon, RG3 was "all in for week one". Some of the criticism might be a little racially biased but for the most part a lot of it is self inflicted. RG3 had all the commercials and promotions of himself this offseason when he should have kept a low profile.

The Golden Calf of Bristol is probably the most criticized qb of this decade and he's white. What do these qbs have in common? Dual threat. So it's not a "black qb treatment" it's with all dual threat qbs. They criticize them for being athletes and not true qbs until proven wrong. That's why it's good to keep a low profile like Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck. Hell EJ Manuel isn't lighting the world on fire but he keeps a low profile so you never hear about him. Unlike Geno Smith who yapped off at the mouth after he was drafted. Now that he's not backing it up he's criticized.

Sorry ace but I can't agree with this. The questions of intelligence and work ethic are rarely if ever thrown at non black QBs. But that poo is always thrown at black QBs and the poo sticks like glue, no matter if they were nice dudes that spoke to the media or dudes who didn't. It is a stereotype that can always be used when dealing with black people in leadership positions. These code words have been used for hundreds of years,

Heck you can see this poo during games. Cam, RG3, Kap or Wilson can make a good read and throw a pass yet the announcer will talk about how that was an instinctive play...not that they used intelligence and read the defense. I mean how is the media still saying Cam can't read defenses yet has thrown for all these fuging yards and tds.

Yet luck can throw a pick six and barely complete 58% of his passes and no one questions his intelligence. Same with The Golden Calf of Bristol...no one questioned his intelligence even though he was a 45% passer.

Look I have been watching the NFL since the mid 80s and this is the same poo different color as it was back in the day. Instead of questioning Moon's, Cunningham's, Mcnabb's or Mcnair's intelligence and work ethic it's questions about RG3s, Kap's or Cams's work ethic and intelligence.

In a year or two you will hear the same poo with Teddy Bridgewater and Brett Hundley once they are in the league.....same poo wash and repeat.

[AceBoogie]

Sorry ace but I can't agree with this. The questions of intelligence and work ethic are rarely if ever thrown at non black QBs. But that poo is always thrown at black QBs and the poo sticks like glue, no matter if they were nice dudes that spoke to the media or dudes who didn't. It is a stereotype that can always be used when dealing with black people in leadership positions. These code words have been used for hundreds of years,

Heck you can see this poo during games. Cam, RG3, Kap or Wilson can make a good read and throw a pass yet the announcer will talk about how that was an instinctive play...not that they used intelligence and read the defense. I mean how is the media still saying Cam can't read defenses yet has thrown for all these fuging yards and tds.

Yet luck can throw a pick six and barely complete 58% of his passes and no one questions his intelligence. Same with The Golden Calf of Bristol...no one questioned his intelligence even though he was a 45% passer.

Look I have been watching the NFL since the mid 80s and this is the same poo different color as it was back in the day. Instead of questioning Moon's, Cunningham's, Mcnabb's or Mcnair's intelligence and work ethic it's questions about RG3s, Kap's or Cams's work ethic and intelligence.

In a year or two you will hear the same poo with Teddy Bridgewater and Brett Hundley once they are in the league.....same poo wash and repeat.

Tebows career was destroyed by the media. Annoy one who says he was never criticized wasn't watching. His football intelligence was always questioned, and just like black qbs they tried to make him play different positions.

[MHS831]

Character?  he was texting old girlfriends on his wedding day.

 

If you want to be respected as a QB, RGIII, try not sucking.

[MadHatter]

Sorry ace but I can't agree with this. The questions of intelligence and work ethic are rarely if ever thrown at non black QBs. But that poo is always thrown at black QBs and the poo sticks like glue, no matter if they were nice dudes that spoke to the media or dudes who didn't. It is a stereotype that can always be used when dealing with black people in leadership positions. These code words have been used for hundreds of years,

Heck you can see this poo during games. Cam, RG3, Kap or Wilson can make a good read and throw a pass yet the announcer will talk about how that was an instinctive play...not that they used intelligence and read the defense. I mean how is the media still saying Cam can't read defenses yet has thrown for all these fuging yards and tds.

Yet luck can throw a pick six and barely complete 58% of his passes and no one questions his intelligence. Same with The Golden Calf of Bristol...no one questioned his intelligence even though he was a 45% passer.

Look I have been watching the NFL since the mid 80s and this is the same poo different color as it was back in the day. Instead of questioning Moon's, Cunningham's, Mcnabb's or Mcnair's intelligence and work ethic it's questions about RG3s, Kap's or Cams's work ethic and intelligence.

In a year or two you will hear the same poo with Teddy Bridgewater and Brett Hundley once they are in the league.....same poo wash and repeat.

It is not Black QB's that usually get questioned. It is the athletic QB that gets questioned. Most have gotten by on athletic ability....and in the past the running QB did not transition well to the nfl.

He'll, it is still mainly true. RgIII and Kaep are showing they are better runners than passers. Cam understands that he was make his money and mark from the picket. His running ability compliments his throwing...it does not compensate for the lack if it.

[MHS831]

Personally, I think that RG has been figured out.  He cannot run in this league because he is too frail.

 

RG III is the product of a college system and conference that was characterized by wide-open offenses and games that looked like basketball scores.  Even now he cannot succeed in the worst division in football.  They will finish last.

 

And he thinks his character is the issue?

[ajax4132]

Sorry ace but I can't agree with this. The questions of intelligence and work ethic are rarely if ever thrown at non black QBs. But that poo is always thrown at black QBs and the poo sticks like glue, no matter if they were nice dudes that spoke to the media or dudes who didn't. It is a stereotype that can always be used when dealing with black people in leadership positions. These code words have been used for hundreds of years,

Heck you can see this poo during games. Cam, RG3, Kap or Wilson can make a good read and throw a pass yet the announcer will talk about how that was an instinctive play...not that they used intelligence and read the defense. I mean how is the media still saying Cam can't read defenses yet has thrown for all these fuging yards and tds.

Yet luck can throw a pick six and barely complete 58% of his passes and no one questions his intelligence. Same with The Golden Calf of Bristol...no one questioned his intelligence even though he was a 45% passer.

Look I have been watching the NFL since the mid 80s and this is the same poo different color as it was back in the day. Instead of questioning Moon's, Cunningham's, Mcnabb's or Mcnair's intelligence and work ethic it's questions about RG3s, Kap's or Cams's work ethic and intelligence.

In a year or two you will hear the same poo with Teddy Bridgewater and Brett Hundley once they are in the league.....same poo wash and repeat.

 

Very good points, nail on the head

 

Bridgewater is a quiet type, it will be interesting to see how they treat him. If they start slinging poo at him...

[MHS831]

It is not Black QB's that usually get questioned. It is the athletic QB that gets questioned. Most have gotten by on athletic ability....and in the past the running QB did not transition well to the nfl.

He'll, it is still mainly true. RgIII and Kaep are showing they are better runners than passers. Cam understands that he was make his money and mark from the picket. His running ability compliments his throwing...it does not compensate for the lack if it.

 

Steve Young was an athletic QB who could run, Andrew Luck is too.  Aaron Rodgers is a good runner, but most do not see it because he is a better passer.  Tannehill is a good runner--was a 4.5 40 WR in college.  Those who try to turn everything into race are just looking to serve a private agendas.

 

The bottom line is this (and I am extending your solid point):  Some qbs became elite in Pop Warner, High School, College, etc, because they could always run and be successful.  They were really not that afraid on injury.  Now we are in a league where 320 lb DTs run 4.8 40s.  The NFL defensive coordinator will force you to think against your natural impulse to run.

 

Cam is still a little slow going through his progressions because this is very new to him, but he gets it.  While it used to be about his ability to read a defense, it is now about his speed in reading a defense.  Kaepernick was probably cursed because he was able to make the super bowl before the league figured him out.  A strong running game, ridiculously good OL, and stout defense made him look better than he was.  Cam never had that.

 

But this is not about race as Hatter says.  If you think that, you are stupid.  QBs are meaured in Ws and Ls, not Ws and Bs.

[MadHatter]

Steve Young was an athletic QB who could run, Andrew Luck is too. Aaron Rodgers is a good runner, but most do not see it because he is a better passer. Tannehill is a good runner--was a 4.5 40 WR in college. Those who try to turn everything into race are just looking to serve a private agendas.

The bottom line is this (and I am extending your solid point): Some qbs became elite in Pop Warner, High School, College, etc, because they could always run and be successful. They were really not that afraid on injury. Now we are in a league where 320 lb DTs run 4.8 40s. The NFL defensive coordinator will force you to think against your natural impulse to run.

Cam is still a little slow going through his progressions because this is very new to him, but he gets it. While it used to be about his ability to read a defense, it is now about his speed in reading a defense. Kaepernick was probably cursed because he was able to make the super bowl before the league figured him out. A strong running game, ridiculously good OL, and stout defense made him look better than he was. Cam never had that.

But this is not about race as Hatter says. If you think that, you are stupid. QBs are meaured in Ws and Ls, not Ws and Bs.

Young, Rogers, etc are guys who made their living from the pocket and had the athletic ability to run when needed. That is diff than these spread option qb's in college who did most of their damage with their legs. And, most of those qb's are able to get by in physical ability alone...which you can't in the nfl.

They question them just like they used to question qb's with ridiculous stats coming out if the run and shoot college offenses....Akili Smith, Andre aware, Eric Couch, Timmy Chang, etc. many of them were drafted high and did nothing.

It isn't about race...but how skill sets transition to the pro game.

[MHS831]

Young, Rogers, etc are guys who made their living from the pocket and had the athletic ability to run when needed. That is diff than these spread option qb's in college who did most of their damage with their legs. And, most of those qb's are able to get by in physical ability alone...which you can't in the nfl.

They question them just like they used to question qb's with ridiculous stats coming out if the run and shoot college offenses....Akili Smith, Andre aware, Eric Couch, Timmy Chang, etc. many of them were drafted high and did nothing.

It isn't about race...but how skill sets transition to the pro game.

 

Timmy Chang---forgot all about him.