Whitlock on PTI

[*FreeFua*]

I watched last years New Orleans (week 17) game today. I'm sure you could find the highlight on NFL.com or some place.

Brees threw a INT to Godfrey, i was amazed when the showed the replay that Brees even threw the ball. Literally had no chance of being completed but threw it anyway.

People criticize Cam lots for his WTF throws, but if you watch other QB's play, they definitely have there moments as well. And I'm not talking about Gabbert and Ponder either.

[csx]

I disagree agree with lots of his junk but he made a comment today I have believed for years....

There is a difference between Brees and the other big 3 he gets lumped into. Brees is good for about 3 WTF are you thinking throws or gambles a game. He will turn the ball over.

Whitlock is right that nationally that gets swept under the rug and no one mentions.

For example since Newton has entered the NFL.....the relatively raw and gambling youngster only has 5 more turnovers compared to Brees who is at the peak/prime of his career.

People may claim Newton is doing better but overall is has been viewed as someone who hasn't taken care of the ball well?

Brees? No one talks about it.....and he isn't on par with Brady, Rodgers, Peyton in that regard.

Brees has 436 more attempts in that timeframe.

 

His completion pct and interception pct is nearly identical to Manning in the same time frame.

[Evengelion]

I think Cam will always be respected for his skill but most will try as hard as possible not to give him the necessary respect. Boomer is a perfect example. He'd rather find another player(Wilson) who plays similar to Cam to give the credit to rather than Cam himself. It's the reality of the sports of football. Not only you have to be very talented  but also have to be liked by saying everything Payton and Brady would say. But I do believe if Cam keeps winning there is a voiceless segment of the media who will start getting pissed of at the notion that everyone have to behave like Payton and Brady to be respected. Shannon Sharpe is one of the example of that. That face of the franchise image will need to be modified.

[rileyfreeman]

Dude, cam rushing the ball is not even close to comparable to brees throwing in turnover margin. For one once the ball leaves brees hand different variables can create an unforeseen turnover as opposed to cam running. Cam can virtually control the rest of the play and decide when the play end and when he wants to extend it therefore if a turnover occurs its his fault. On another note

[rileyfreeman]

On another note sean Payton will live with a turnover or two because he trusts brees will make a big play more often than not. That's why he make a head scratching throw just like all qbs do BECAUSE HE THROWS THE BALL 700 TIMES A GAME. Payton doesn't want the ints but he trusts that brees ultimately will make big plays. No QB is perfect but doubting brees greatness is a little absurd.

[Montsta]

I was amazed how easy it is to shut down Brees if you bottle up his HB throws underneath.

Seattle neutralized Sproles and voila, Brees has under 200 yards for the first time in like 3-4 seasons.

[CRA]

Brees has 436 more attempts in that timeframe.

His completion pct and interception pct is nearly identical to Manning in the same time frame.

Whitlock didn't bring up Cam.....

Look at Aaron Rodgers pass attempts vs turnovers....

Brees is different. His point IMO valid. Brees is different than the group he is lumped with

[Swaggasaurus]

I want to take this oppurtunity to thank Cam Newton for not fumbling the ball when he is sacked. Huge advantage it gives us to have him back there protecting the ball when he's hit.

[mav1234]

...ehh.

 

Rodgers has a very low turnover rate.

 

but Manning, in his last 3 seasons he played (including this one), had INT%s of 1.9,1.9, and 2.5.  Brady has 1.7,1.3, and 2.0.  Brees is at 1.7,2.8,2.1.  For their careers, both Manning and Brees are at 2.6% int. Brady's at 2%.  Rodgers is at 1.7%

 

So sure, he has a bit higher percentage... but I do think he belongs in the category of "elite QBs."

[csx]

Whitlock didn't bring up Cam.....

Look at Aaron Rodgers pass attempts vs turnovers....

Brees is different. His point IMO valid. Brees is different than the group he is lumped with

Not really. He compares almost exactly to Manning. Rogers sets himself apart from all of them though.

 

Career numbers.

[rko396]

Whitlock is the same asshat that announced last year that Cam throws "end-of-half" hail marys purposefully out of the end zone so he doesnt hurt his stats by throwing an INT

Fug him

[Evengelion]

I think football is being debated too much like baseball with all those stats. I think the how should also play a role too like it does in other sports like basketball. Remember, for every QB who throws for 5000 yards, there are receivers that combine for 5000 yards receiving. And catching a football while people going at your knee is probably harder than or more dangerous than the person throwing it, so it requires a lot of skill set to do so. So a 5000 yards passer is just half the story. It's no coincidence that Brees has Graham, Brady has Gronk, and Manning has Thomas and a bunch of other #1 type receivers. If Manning couldn't throw for a lot of yards and TD he'd have no business being on a football team(like The Golden Calf of Bristol)

 

I don't get how players that can't score on their own can get 99% of the credit. It's like saying John Stockton is the greatest player in Basketball because of his assist record. Don't get. Football is so backward. Because passing stats overshadows everything else all-around players like Cam who can do it all is not celebrated enough. Rather unfortunate.

[CRA]

Not really.

 

Career numbers.

2011 to date...

Pass attempts

Brees- 1804

Brady - 1798

Rodgers - 1303

Total Turnovers

Brees - 47

Brady - 34

Rodgers - 26

Pass heavy or not....those are still team turnovers. Brees still turns it over at a higher rate per game than the rest of his elite buddies. That still gives opponents a chance to capitalize on his errors IMO.

[mav1234]

so is Manning not considered elite now?