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Decision time.


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Its obvious this team is not playoff material losing to the Jazz.... twice!!! So now we must make a huge decision, lose out of just do enough to keep it at bay. Kemba going through a bad stretch. No Taylor or MKG. Big Al looks a bit slow of there now. Sluggish I would say. So it goes like this, either go down fighting and finish bottom 14. Or give up and lose 21 straight and plummet to bottom 3.

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I don't think this is the case... I think "the decision" that has to be made, is what trade to make. We need to try to win now that we've signed Big Al. So, we need to make a move and bring in another quality player, otherwise, I fear a HUGE losing streak of the likes of last season is on the way. What I think we're seeing now is the culmination of all those injuries to the three. It's finally catching up with us.

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Something needs to be done. The worst possible thing is to be mediocre, with the same roster, the rest of the season. Either make an impact trade, or tank. Keeping the same roster, while the "weaker" teams are tanking this season and landing studs, will place Charlotte right back among the worst teams in the league next year. Even though they're barely treading water above them now. 

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Im down for either tanking or trying to win now but it has to be a clear direction one way or the other being mediocore in the middle 8-11 in the  east is not gonna cut it. Either make a positive trade and add someone to the roster or lets trade some of the veterans and let the young guys have a go at it with big AL. For all of you that keep saying trade MKG its not gonna happen and its foolish to bring him up in trade talks. If we do make a move it will likely be trading more draft picks and a player like gordon to add a player or go in the way of tanking and move possibly sessions / mcroberts combo to a contender for a late first which is not that great but hey its about all we could fetch for that combo while taking on some garbage filler. 

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I seriously doubt this team makes the playoffs without a trade.  Once Taylor went down the bench has been terrible, and this team is just not deep or experienced enough (plus our schedule to start the season was rather easy).  I expect Chicago to make the playoffs, and at least one of the New York teams will probably sneak in.

 

I doubt this team does any outright tanking, but I can see management telling the coaching staff to give Zeller and Biyombo big minutes

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I seriously doubt this team makes the playoffs without a trade.  Once Taylor went down the bench has been terrible, and this team is just not deep or experienced enough (plus our schedule to start the season was rather easy).  I expect Chicago to make the playoffs, and at least one of the New York teams will probably sneak in.

 

I doubt this team does any outright tanking, but I can see management telling the coaching staff to give Zeller and Biyombo big minutes

 

 

No, you try to win. Just play Sessions more minutes and run a lineup with McBob at the 3 quite a bit and I think the team will start to loose by default. Also give Zeller a ton of playing time at the 4. 

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Its obvious this team is not playoff material losing to the Jazz.... twice!!! So now we must make a huge decision, lose out of just do enough to keep it at bay. Kemba going through a bad stretch. No Taylor or MKG. Big Al looks a bit slow of there now. Sluggish I would say. So it goes like this, either go down fighting and finish bottom 14. Or give up and lose 21 straight and plummet to bottom 3.

I hope we can get a high draft pick. If we tank and get a top 3 pick plus get detroits pick which at best will be #9 because its top 8 protected, then we could get 2 fuging studs and be on the rise like OKC of a few years back!!!

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Exactly what do you guys that "want to win now" hope to win? This is not a team that can make a playoff run. If you trade you must give something up in return...either those 1st rd picks or cap space. No difference maker FA will sign here. You tank the Hell out of this season and pray those 1st rds are as high as possible in a fantastic draft. Once we draft a legit star then do your best to build around him. If we get a top 2 pick then this new era will take off.

 

What's the best case scenario for the potential picks in the upcoming draft? We have a possible 3 firsts right?

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Exactly what do you guys that "want to win now" hope to win? This is not a team that can make a playoff run. If you trade you must give something up in return...either those 1st rd picks or cap space. No difference maker FA will sign here. You tank the Hell out of this season and pray those 1st rds are as high as possible in a fantastic draft. Once we draft a legit star then do your best to build around him. If we get a top 2 pick then this new era will take off.

 

What's the best case scenario for the potential picks in the upcoming draft? We have a possible 3 firsts right?

 

2 possible lottery picks and a mid - late first round from Portland.  They could easily go into the draft with a top 7 pick, the 9th pick and the 24th pick. 

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