I wonder how Cutler's contract will affect Cam's

[Gabeking]

Mass Suicide.

A price most of us would probably be willing to pay for a Super Bowl.

Cam also has to realize that if he takes all the money, they won't be able to ever get him any help.

I agree, Cutler got overpaid... but he does have potential and he doesn't suck as some of you so eloquently said...

There are 32 teams... there are not 32 elite QB's unfortunately.

It's called the draft

[top dawg]

It seems like you dont even have to be a good QB these days to get a mega contract, just be a NFL QB that people have heard of like Romo, Cutler and Flacco and you are guaranteed a mega deal. I know I will get bashed big time for saying this but while Cam is very solid hes not elite. Im sorry but in today's NFL its not hard to find a random QB that can pass for just 3300 passing yds and a 61% completion rate these days and ride a no 1 defense to the playoffs. Cam is solid no doubt, but lets be real, with this elite D, you dont need a world beater QB to get it done. In my mind, Cam isnt a 100 million dollar QB.

 

No QB is worth $100 mil in a perfect world, but the world is far from perfect. If all these other guys are $100 mil QBs, then Cam is also. Say what you want about Cam, but if we didn't have him, defense or not, we wouldn't be in the playoffs.  You have seen but a piece of what Cam can do. Just think about what he can do with a good O-line, a couple of great WRs, and another pass-catching TE.  Just think how an O-line that could actually open up more holes for RBs would allow us to use the run to set up the pass.  There is too much potential there to play games during contract negotiations when other teams are signing what could be inferior talent at the position. Too much to lose, and the world to gain. I'm sure you don't believe that Cam has reached his ceiling yet.  If not, then his contract must be commensurate with his peers.

[SauceBoss]

Is that how you see your QB? If not then he deserves to be paid his worth to this team. 

I'm saying this bodes bad when we go to resign Cam. We better make sure our team is in order b/c when that offseason comes, i'm pretty sure we'll be signing no one else.

[Darth Biscuit]

I am assuming this was your quote?

My statement does fit because the Panthers should not only have already been giving Cam help, but to wait until it's time to pay him and use that as leverage not to, makes no sense.

The Bears secured Cutler financially because they see what he means for their team. I hope the Panthers do the same for Cam when that time comes. Especially since Cam is doing what he's doing without much "help" and the team is using him in many ways to help plug the holes in the Offense.

Cam shouldn't be paid based on what other QBs have done or how great his stats are. He should be paid based on how much of an asset he is to this team.

I think you are over reading what I said... I'm not implying that Cam isn't worth it...

[2jakefansinva]

We as Panther fans are no strangers to shitty contracts........... (F you Hurney)

 

if not for some of them......... Cam might be enjoying a couple more weapons today.

 

I have faith that Cam and Gman will get this deal done for the benefit of all parties.

 

 

 

PS- anybody that thinks Cam Newton is going to sign anywhere other than Carolina is an idiot.

 

Also......it's a given he will make between 15-18 mil. a year and the length will probably be between 5-8 years. (do the math)

 

Guaranteed money should exceed 60 mil.

 

Get used to it folks................we got our QB to "hitch a wagon too"

[Evengelion]

A little trip down memory lane for Cutler shall we?

 

Jay Cutler was inserted as starter of a Denver team that the previous year was in the AFC Championship game (2005) with Jake "the Snake". When Jay was inserted as starter under Shannon, the Broncos had a winning record at 7-4 and was firmly in the playoffs.

 

Cutler then proceeded to take the Broncos OUT of the playoffs with a 2-3 record and remember he had Marshall. Meanwhile, Vince Young turned AROUND the Titans from zero wins and ALMOST got them in the playoffs the same year.

 

In 2007, the Broncos went 7-9 under Cutler, and 8-8 in 2008. Shannon was then fired.

 

Cutler IMMEDIATELY got into it with the new hired coach, McDaniels, and was traded to Chicago. It was not until Cutler 2nd year in Chicago before he FINALLY had a winning record. And remember he had Lovie Smith's defense until last year.

 

FUN FACT: Jay Cutler went from high school to the second year in Chicago before he even QB his team to a winning record!

 

 

Yet we have MORONS on here complaining about Cam's high throw in a 12-4 season. These SAME MORONS are the ones in this thread claiming that Jay is "far more accomplished than Newton" and Newton doesn't deserve that type of contract.

 

Then when they FINALLY check Cutler's history they notice he has ONE playoff victory in EIGHT NFL Seasons!

 

But yea, I am sure if this was NEWTON'S history, these fans (who complain constantly in 12 win season) would just be fine with him and call him a franchise QB.

 

Heck, someone on here after the second Saints game said we are jumping to conclusions if we think Cam is a franchise QB.

Preach my man, preach. I said earlier I wasn't going to delve into Cutler's stats and record because it would reveal  he's average. Apparently, he is average. I think the reason he got that contract had a lot to do with Marshall liking him almost to the point weirdness.

 

[Newtcase]

Cam is our best RB in addition to being a top 10 QB in the league.  In his three years he has passed or rushed for 92 of 123 Carolina touchdowns.  There has never been a QB like Cam before, not this prolific, there is no measuring stick, certainly not Cutler.  I don't know how you calculate a number.

[Evengelion]

No an elite QB is a QB that is on a team that is succesful only because of him. Aaron Rodgers, he goes down with injury and the Packers are lucky they get 8 wins, its because he is that team. If a QB had the same stats Cam had this year on a team with horrible D, that team would be lucky to get 4 wins.

Our D is the only reason we win games. This team is a mirror image of the 2003 team that was also carried by a stout D. Cam is right on the level of a Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick, your classic game manager that is carried by a stout D.

Actually, the way the game manager thing work is you have other franchise caliber players contributing to your success, so all is needed to do is hand them the ball. That's the position Alex Smith is in. Alex Smith/Kaepernick has franchise receivers, Great OL, and mega super star RB to contribute to his success. On the other hand, for the panthers there is no franchise receiver, RBs, nor even an above average OL. Cam is the offense in Carolina. Defenses throughout the league(ask Bilicheck, he said it himself) have nightmare preparing for Cam. Cam is a one man wrecking crew. I don't think you understand what a game manager is. Game managers don't have one of the strongest arm in the NFL. Cam is more a smart gunslinger who figures out how to win in the NFL. Don't get it twisted. Again, fail!

 

Cam, a game manager! Don't make me laugh!

 

Can you reveal yourself so I get your angle? Are you a panthers fan?

 

[Evengelion]

And yet I again have to point out the fact that Cutler only played in 5 games his rookie season.  Compare the 2nd and 3rd season.  Saying Cam and Cutler is of the same QB style is laughable.  Cutler is a gunslinger Cam is a dual threat.  You did't see Cutler taking half of the runningback yards his first 3 seasons. 

 

 

 

But I will say Cam should make more than Cutler. But for the benefit of the Panthers I hope Cam realizes he needs to help the team out and not break the bank. 

Believe me, if Cutler were legit or as legit as Cam he would never find his way out of Denver. Looks like Denver made the right decision getting rid of him. Didn't miss a beat without him. Heck, even The Golden Calf of Bristol had success in Denver.

[Newtcase]

No an elite QB is a QB that is on a team that is succesful only because of him. Aaron Rodgers, he goes down with injury and the Packers are lucky they get 8 wins, its because he is that team. If a QB had the same stats Cam had this year on a team with horrible D, that team would be lucky to get 4 wins.

Our D is the only reason we win games. This team is a mirror image of the 2003 team that was also carried by a stout D. Cam is right on the level of a Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick, your classic game manager that is carried by a stout D.

 

So the final drives in the New England, Miami, and New Orleans game were the defense carrying the team?  Did we watch the same team this year?  Because in those games I'm pretty certain that our "game manager" took over and won those games for us.

[WarDamnPanthers]

probably not at all

[jtm]

Unfortunately Cams contract will probably be like Cutlers. The NFL will raise the salary cap to make up for these QB contracts.

[Evengelion]

Because the comparison was of Cutler and Cam with rushing and passing yards. Cutler was behind Jake Plummer his first year.

 

By your logic Cam was better than Rodgers. 

Well, I wouldn't exactly argue that Rodgers is better than Cam either. Passing wise Rodgers is definitely better but as an all around player Cam got that hands down. In a team where it's not guaranteed that your receivers will catch your passes for you like the panthers Cam is definitely a better player. But if you have a team where you can go 5 WR set and all can catch balls for you, Rodgers is certainly better. QBs are as good as their WRs. Cam is not. Cam can control the clock and eat you up 5 yards at a time with his legs when WRs are in their dropsy mode and he's done that a lot this year. Cam is just a monster. Rodgers is very successful with the WC throwing the ball every down and his stats reflect it. Don't get it twisted people.

 

Rodgers is a specialized player and and Cam is the jack of all trades. Some coaches prefer the jack of all trades more than the specialist. Fact, if you have good skill players and the QB throws the ball a lot, that QB will accumulate gaudy stats. Brees, roaders, etc.

 

[Evengelion]

Shouldn't we leave it to Bears fans to defend the almighty Jay Cutler?

Support your home qb!!!

Some people are players fan. Some for racial reason and some are just casual sports fan.