One glaring Kapernick flaw

[mcdougal]

it wasn't his field vision. his first and second read WR could actually get wide open.

 

and the cardinals defense did not bring their A-game. I wouldnt say the one-read stuff is overblown. But do you think Kaep could do what Cam did if they switched recievers? obviously not from what happened to you guys earlier in the season. We have some of the worst WR corp in the league and Cam still gets it done going through his progressions. Kaep without his top (elite) receivers struggled mightily.

 

i wouldn't go as far as to say he's remedial but damn that offense and coaching covers up a lot of those deficiencies. just my opinion. Harbaugh really needs to let kaep grow because this is going to catch up to him.

 

 

I will repeat this again. For much of the season Colin's second WR was KYLE WILLIAMS!

 

Is Number WR was Boldin. A WR that was busy playing for Baltimore last year. 

[Growl]

Guys guys guys you need to stop supporting your arguments with evidence and listen to me I know football and stuff and clearly know more than you are my madden team went undefeated this year

Granted I was playing as the Patriots because I was a pats/yankees/heat fan until I saw carolina doing well but still guys I know more accept what I say and stop making me look silly with your supporting evidence please accept me

[TheRumGone]

I will repeat this again. For much of the season Colin's second WR was KYLE WILLIAMS!

 

Is Number WR was Boldin. A WR that was busy playing for Baltimore last year. 

 

boldin

 

kyle williams

 

vernon davis

 

or

 

smitty

 

lafell

 

greg olsen

 

seems pretty even

[KendrickPanther]

I see a ton of Crabtree posts today. He is a good player but the 49ers are a run first team. Everything revolves around shutting down their run game and forcing Kaepernick to make decisions on 3rd and long. Crabtree looked great against the 8-7-1 Green Bay Packers with an awful defense. 8-7-1....is that an 8 win winning season? I guess now it's 8-8-1 which is extra mediocre.

[ajax4132]

I will repeat this again. For much of the season Colin's second WR was KYLE WILLIAMS!

 

Is Number WR was Boldin. A WR that was busy playing for Baltimore last year. 

 

When you have Vernon Davis and boldin consuming double teams you should be able to find your 2nd and 3rd reads.

 

You could make the read at the LOS, see the cb lined up over top and notice the safety shade over the top of your primary read (seen it the 49ers a couple of times this year)

 

You turn your secondary read into your primary read and then go to your 3rd read and then if you have the time go back to your 1st read, if not you check it down to the safety valve.

[mcdougal]

Depends what you mean by "passer". Are you talking "arm talent"? Are you talking reading defenses and making correct decisions? Kaepernick has shown the ability to execute his coaches play calling and has the ability to make plays with his arm and his legs, but he isn't what you would call a mature or complete QB in terms of reading the defense, adjusting/audibling, going through progressions, pocket presence, etc...the types of things an NFL QB needs to do for sustained success. In those aspects, those other qbs you mentioned are light years ahead of Kaepernick.

 

Passer as in playing the QB position. There is NOTHING in Colin's history as a NFL passer that indicates he is a WORSE passer than Luck, Dalton, Newton, or Tannehill. That includes "reading defenses and making correct decisions." BTW, these phrases are what I like to call "fluffy language" designed to push a bias of opinion when really the stats don't back said opinion.

 

Like "Kirk Cousins is a better field general than Griffin...because...well...well...he just is!" There is nothing to indicate that Cousins is a better QB than Griffin...just "fluffy language" that people like to throw out.

 

Through Colin's first 20 or so games as a NFL QB (however many games he has started), I would put his PASSING stats up against one and he would comparable.

 

Especially against Luck, Newton, Tannehill, RGIII, Bradford, Alex Smith, Stafford, Wilson, Dalton, etc. etc.

 

BTW, you really need to READ up on what responsibilities Greg Roman gives to Kap on every single play. 

[CatMan72]

Passer as in playing the QB position. There is NOTHING in Colin's history as a NFL passer that indicates he is a WORSE passer than Luck, Dalton, Newton, or Tannehill. That includes "reading defenses and making correct decisions." BTW, these phrases are what I like to call "fluffy language" designed to push a bias of opinion when really the stats don't back said opinion.

 

Like "Kirk Cousins is a better field general than Griffin...because...well...well...he just is!" There is nothing to indicate that Cousins is a better QB than Griffin...just "fluffy language" that people like to throw out.

 

Through Colin's first 20 or so games as a NFL QB (however many games he has started), I would put his PASSING stats up against one and he would comparable.

 

Especially against Luck, Newton, Tannehill, RGIII, Bradford, Alex Smith, Stafford, Wilson, Dalton, etc. etc.

 

BTW, you really need to READ up on what responsibilities Greg Roman gives to Kap on every single play. 

 

Is this why he had to burn a timeout in the 2nd half of a playoff game because he forgot his wristband? 

 

LOL

[ajax4132]

Passer as in playing the QB position. There is NOTHING in Colin's history as a NFL passer that indicates he is a WORSE passer than Luck, Dalton, Newton, or Tannehill. That includes "reading defenses and making correct decisions." BTW, these phrases are what I like to call "fluffy language" designed to push a bias of opinion when really the stats don't back said opinion.

 

Like "Kirk Cousins is a better field general than Griffin...because...well...well...he just is!" There is nothing to indicate that Cousins is a better QB than Griffin...just "fluffy language" that people like to throw out.

 

Through Colin's first 20 or so games as a NFL QB (however many games he has started), I would put his PASSING stats up against one and he would comparable.

 

Especially against Luck, Newton, Tannehill, RGIII, Bradford, Alex Smith, Stafford, Wilson, Dalton, etc. etc.

 

BTW, you really need to READ up on what responsibilities Greg Roman gives to Kap on every single play. 

 

Evidently you aren't watching the games, if you are you clearly have no idea what is going on

 

[TheRumGone]

Is this why he had to burn a timeout in the 2nd half of a playoff game because he forgot his wristband? 

 

LOL

 

mcdonagul or whatever will just skip over that part because it doesn't fit his narrative and number skews even though we have all proven why kaep's numbers are up there with other qbs.

 

one thing the panthers organization can be proud of offensively is they didn't baby Newton. They forced him to become a better pocket passer which is paying off right now.

[mcdougal]

Cam was no where near at the level of reading defenses he is now that he was last year. It is evident.

 

And i'm talking about defenses who have elite linebackers who can run Kaep down and contain him with disciplined football. Your points about WR core are invalid. Cam has an awful WR core and still gets it done because he actually goes through his progressions. I dont know why you are yelling this is a civil debate.

 

 

Not yelling. Emphasizing key points.

 

If you are arguing the Cam is getting it done, Kap is getting it done as well. They virtually have the same stats, and I would argue that Colin does far more pre-snap for the 49ers than Cam does with the Panthers.

[FrankTheTank21]

When you have Vernon Davis and boldin consuming double teams you should be able to find your 2nd and 3rd reads.

 

You could make the read at the LOS, see the cb lined up over top and notice the safety shade over the top of your primary read (seen it the 49ers a couple of times this year)

 

You turn your secondary read into your primary read and then go to your 3rd read and then if you have the time go back to your 1st read, if not you check it down to the safety valve.

 

 

Who says they're open, and who says they're going to catch the ball?

 

This is all conjecture because we don't know what was called, who the first read was, what coverage was called, etc...

 

Reminds me of a famous Jim Mora presser:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHipzGL4dwM

[ajax4132]

Who says they're open, and who says they're going to catch the ball?

 

This is all conjecture because we don't know what was called, who the first read was, what coverage was called, etc...

 

Reminds me of a famous Jim Mora presser:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHipzGL4dwM

 

Kaep doesn't even look in there direction, he stares at his first readhoping for them to get open

 

[rko396]

I am not using whole numbers, I am using QB Rating. Derek Carr racked up more yards than Winston in the NCAA, but many would say that Winston was the better passer this year.

 

Andrew Luck did NOT have a better rookie season passing than Newton. He just THREW the ball 100 times more, therefore allowing him to rack up more yards. His QB rating was where Brandon Weedon ended up, at the bottom of the league. 

 

The same reason why Rodgers is a better passer than Stafford, even though Stafford MAY rack up more yards. Rodgers is the ultimate QB because he more often than not has a high passer rating. Efficiency. 

 

49ERS literally had games were they attempted under 20 passes. In fact, I am sure they had multiple games where attempts were under 20. But when given the opportunity Kapernick was MORE than good. His rating (while not the end all) was higher than Luck, Newton, Tannehill, Dalton by season's end.

 

While I can not conclude that Kap is a better passer than those gives, I can CERTAINLY not claim he is worse. Stats, especially holistic stats like QB ratings count for something. 

 

He made the MOST out of his opportunities while paying in a division that has no pushover defenses.  

 

yes, the QBR absolutely accounts for something. However, any type of number that half-rely on others, need to be taken into context as well. I believe it was the first TB game we played this year, we spent the entire 1st quarter setting up the run and short quick passes, then once their D adjusted, we had the perfect play and Cam threw the most perfect deep ball to Ginn you've ever seen. Peyton Manning himself couldn't have placed that ball in there any better. Yet what happens? Ginn completely drops it and (through NO fault of his own), Cam loses out on about 75 yards and a TD. That would have had a gigantic impact on his QBR that game. But instead, all that he got credited for is an incompletion. Same with the Arizona game: perfect throw to Smitty (dropped TD), another perfect throw to smitty (dropped 1st down), then the infamous throw to LaFell on 4th down (which could have easily led to another TD.....dropped by LaFell). My point being every "stat" doesn't tell the whole story. I just gave examples of multiple TDs cam should be cerdited for, but doesnt, and contrary to that, the DWill screen pass that never should have gone 75 yards, did. And Cam had a TD added that he wasn't responsible for. Same goes for every QB in this league.

 

tl/dr: stats are misleading. be careful where/when you use them

[TheRumGone]

Not yelling. Emphasizing key points.

 

If you are arguing the Cam is getting it done, Kap is getting it done as well. They virtually have the same stats, and I would argue that Colin does far more pre-snap for the 49ers than Cam does with the Panthers.

 

fieryphrophet is laughing at you right now