So........... was keeping Hardy worth all this?

[cbully]

gano + hardy + bell + scott + anderson + williams + brockel OR ginn + mitchell + hixon + cap + senn ???

 

 

hardy influenced the contracts given to cap&mitchell and in a way gano did this same for senn&ginn. ST players value is hurt due to all the touchbacks. plus with the league scoring more punt returners are less valueable too. 

 

 

the super smart front office people say after finding a QB, DL is the next hardest. 

 

if hardy resigns for long term it was worth it, if not i'll join all the cry babies and bitach about dave.

understand the question is more so about lack of cash due to the tag not the players them even though we could have got another year out of them. the issue is DG says we will not step back yet we clearly aren't what we were last season. All of these guys that were lost could have been replaced and we're chosing the downgrade. that's the issue that contradicts his statement about not moving back... of all the cuts, Ginn and or Mitchell were key signing as to keeping our core. SS hurts us because we never found a compliment and will take a unnecessary cap hit. It funny how we scrape the bowl on finding player for cheap but we throw away food we paid too much for. Cutting steve at this point did not help us but whatever. We will miss Ginn more than any of the cuts! smh

[Navy_football]

gano + hardy + bell + scott + anderson + williams + brockel OR ginn + mitchell + hixon + cap + senn ???

 

 

hardy influenced the contracts given to cap&mitchell and in a way gano did this same for senn&ginn. ST players value is hurt due to all the touchbacks. plus with the league scoring more punt returners are less valueable too. 

 

 

the super smart front office people say after finding a QB, DL is the next hardest. 

 

if hardy resigns for long term it was worth it, if not i'll join all the cry babies and bitach about dave.

 

If Hardy is signed long term, we will have won (in the long run). This year won't be pretty. We don't have enough cap space to fill in all the holes in the secondary.

 

My biggest concern is the OL, as it takes time for that unit to develop chemistry. Consistancy is more important there than anywhere else on the field. I'd be okay with a rookie LT as athleticism helps alot, but I really would like to see a veteran upgrade at RG.  I do not trust Kugbila at all. If they go into the season with him as the starter, things might unravel pretty quickly. And it's time for Amini to step up at LG. Going into his third season, he can't keep making the same mental mistakes. Unfortunately, being injury prone, he may not have seen the reps needed to develop properly - he's off schedule.

 

Cam has another year of experience under his belt. Honestly, this kid improves every season - amazing considering what he did his rookie year. The offense will go as the OL goes. If they play average to above average, Cam, DWill, Stew, Olsen and Tolbert will draw a lot of attention, and those young WRs will have favorable match ups.

[cbully]

If Hardy is signed long term, we will have won (in the long run). This year won't be pretty. We don't have enough cap space to fill in all the holes in the secondary.

 

My biggest concern is the OL, as it takes time for that unit to develop chemistry. Consistancy is more important there than anywhere else on the field. I'd be okay with a rookie LT as athleticism helps alot, but I really would like to see a veteran upgrade at RG.  I do not trust Kugbila at all. If they go into the season with him as the starter, things might unravel pretty quickly. And it's time for Amini to step up at LG. Going into his third season, he can't keep making the same mental mistakes. Unfortunately, being injury prone, he may not have seen the reps needed to develop properly - he's off schedule.

 

Cam has another year of experience under his belt. Honestly, this kid improves every season - amazing considering what he did his rookie year. The offense will go as the OL goes. If they play average to above average, Cam, DWill, Stew, Olsen and Tolbert will draw a lot of attention, and those young WRs will have favorable match ups.

the key to what we have ofensively right now is to get the absolute most out of our rbs. that starts with the Oline as I agree with you. otherwise Cam is going to do too much and it will not go well. we need to be stacks at primary positions as all contenders are so I give Cam props for making the most with very little. This is why you can't compare  a qb like Kaep with him. Kaep should be doubling what Cam did in stats in comparison to what he has to work with. if that chump had to go 3 games in Cam's condition, he'd be like Ponder.

[carolina-chuck]

very reasonable comment unlike the many that have become fanboys.

don't get me wrong huddle, a Strong DE is a good thing but at what expense? No one will convince me that all of these guys would have walked if Hardy walked... okay now that we're done with this all must consider what Hardy himself said prior to the signing: "If I go to another team I don't want to play on a losing team, because I've been there and like winning!" it was clear that he wanted that bread and I can't blame him. therefore, what's the hold up on a official contract? who is to say he will get one or not be in this situation next year. do we not remember Mr. Peppers? Yea everyone felt the same way about him until it was time to release him. Now he sucks to many here. smh.... you guys can say what you want but the truth is the truth, and the truth is, we will not upgrading until Hardy signs a long term "reasonable" contract. If ever! And DG/RR already knew this. That's why everyone rolled out willingly and so fast. We are looking like the team Hardy said he didn't want to be on... this will drag out!

Agree.

I dont really care about the guys we lost. I just thought that by franchising Hardy, it proved that we were again going to be a contender. Maybe, sign a guy like Nicks and the draft will fill the rest. Then, he go and cut 89 not due to money wise or lack off production, but bc he "worked too hard" in practices. Plus, not signing Nicks to 1yr/3.5mil.

Gman has taken an approach that looks like he's rebuilding. If Gman wanted to slow things down next season and take a step back, why not just let Hardy go get his money elsewhere and still contend?

[cbully]

Agree.

I dont really care about the guys we lost. I just thought that by franchising Hardy, it proved that we were again going to be a contender. Maybe, sign a guy like Nicks and the draft will fill the rest. Then, he go and cut 89 not due to money wise or lack off production, but bc he "worked too hard" in practices. Plus, not signing Nicks to 1yr/3.5mil.

Gman has taken an approach that looks like he's rebuilding. If Gman wanted to slow things down next season and take a step back, why not just let Hardy go get his money elsewhere and still contend?

exactly! so at this point bring on PS boys if we are rebuilding. We are too far in at this point to spend money on anything that will be gone next year. Hardy confirms this. btw, the rb cuts are coming next year. we may as well go 2 WRs or 2 OL in the first two rounds. #nosequel2014

[DanTheMan]

Kraken....Im calling you out!!! Call it what you want but because of your GREED you have cost this team alot. Because of your GREED you have screwed the pooch. It really makes me sick when these guys cry about making millions and their still not happy. People get up everyday in this world and put their lives on the line for peanuts and you cry like a little bitch about millions. Makes me sick.

[cbully]

Kraken....Im calling you out!!! Call it what you want but because of your GREED you have cost this team alot. Because of your GREED you have screwed the pooch. It really makes me sick when these guys cry about making millions and their still not happy. People get up everyday in this world and put their lives on the line for peanuts and you cry like a little bitch about millions. Makes me sick.

tell em' why you mad son!

[csx]

Kraken....Im calling you out!!! Call it what you want but because of your GREED you have cost this team alot. Because of your GREED you have screwed the pooch. It really makes me sick when these guys cry about making millions and their still not happy. People get up everyday in this world and put their lives on the line for peanuts and you cry like a little bitch about millions. Makes me sick.

 

Why are you blaming Hardy? That makes no sense. Blame the decision maker.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Kraken....Im calling you out!!! Call it what you want but because of your GREED you have cost this team alot. Because of your GREED you have screwed the pooch. It really makes me sick when these guys cry about making millions and their still not happy. People get up everyday in this world and put their lives on the line for peanuts and you cry like a little bitch about millions. Makes me sick.

 

thanks for the call

 

up next we've got redskin bobby from taylorsville.  bobby you're on the air.

[DanTheMan]

Why are you blaming Hardy? That makes no sense. Blame the decision maker.

Because in all reality it is up to him. It's up to him to accept a contract or not. It's up to him to see what's going on with this team and make a sacrifice for the greater good.

[Cpt slay a ho]

no it was best to let him go, for the team

 

and im glad Smitty was just some run of the mil 750 yard receiver for some of you.........how quick you turn on your players, if it was hardy that got let loose half of you would be like "he's just some de that disappears in big games and gets all his sacks against weak teams derp"

[cbully]

Why are you blaming Hardy? That makes no sense. Blame the decision maker.

now that was what I called a 1st post... hahaha dude woke up pissed off this morning.... lol

[DanTheMan]

now that was what I called a 1st post... hahaha dude woke up pissed off this morning.... lol

I wake up pissed off every morning about this team. I'm a 38 year old man who has shead blood sweat and tears for this team since day 1.... Hardy is dead to me.

[MV%doe]

understand the question is more so about lack of cash due to the tag not the players them even though we could have got another year out of them. the issue is DG says we will not step back yet we clearly aren't what we were last season. All of these guys that were lost could have been replaced and we're chosing the downgrade. that's the issue that contradicts his statement about not moving back... of all the cuts, Ginn and or Mitchell were key signing as to keeping our core. SS hurts us because we never found a compliment and will take a unnecessary cap hit. It funny how we scrape the bowl on finding player for cheap but we throw away food we paid too much for. Cutting steve at this point did not help us but whatever. We will miss Ginn more than any of the cuts! smh

 

i understand the lack of room/cash to sign others. inside dave, ron and others have a plan and value on each.  problem is with success, it changes the outside value of players. the fat cats over at BOA, made the choice of hardy&gano&others rather than ginn/cap/mitchell. whos right or wrong, only time will tell. it is funny/odd/BS/unfair that the panthers had no cap space....... BUT pulled off a 13.1 million tag and gave a top ten kicker contract. teams have room/money for whom they want/value, regardless of whats said. you want/need gano&hardy? well that cost you ginn&mike&cap. plus the future is here too, you want to resign cam/luke/star? well you can not resign ginn&cap&mike to long term deals cause each penny is need for the incoming huge contracts. 

 

i will not argue the drop in talent, panthers where better in 2013 than they are now. all i have is hope that dave repeats some of success last year with UDFAs, wavier claims, and hitting on draft picks. so the 2014 book has not been written, theres still time. thats some center of the sun pressure, but thats why he gets paid the big bucks.

 

ugh, me typing about smitty. i hate this game, but "what if" steve was part of the reason the panthers could never find his replacement?? im not saying i agree or disagree, but sometimes you can not bring in a replacement while the person being replaced is still here. steve has always been a mini-divia, but he was carolinas' mini-divia. once you lose a step/s or get less available(due to age&injuries), well putting up with a mini-divia becomes less reality.

 

If Hardy is signed long term, we will have won (in the long run). This year won't be pretty. We don't have enough cap space to fill in all the holes in the secondary.

 

My biggest concern is the OL, as it takes time for that unit to develop chemistry. Consistancy is more important there than anywhere else on the field. I'd be okay with a rookie LT as athleticism helps alot, but I really would like to see a veteran upgrade at RG.  I do not trust Kugbila at all. If they go into the season with him as the starter, things might unravel pretty quickly. And it's time for Amini to step up at LG. Going into his third season, he can't keep making the same mental mistakes. Unfortunately, being injury prone, he may not have seen the reps needed to develop properly - he's off schedule.

 

Cam has another year of experience under his belt. Honestly, this kid improves every season - amazing considering what he did his rookie year. The offense will go as the OL goes. If they play average to above average, Cam, DWill, Stew, Olsen and Tolbert will draw a lot of attention, and those young WRs will have favorable match ups.

 

i agree resigning hardy long term, hes too valuable

 

Ol, oy vey. currently heres what we have(im including the guys i believe have the best chance in making 53)

 

C-

kalil- best OL, no more needs to be said.

 

folkerts- found doing tryouts.... yes a street FA that made it to roster and stuck. hes a development type, currently the only backup here.

 

G-

kugbilia- no idea, could be a pro bowler or cut before OTAs. i didnt like the pick back then and nothing has changed my mind. the only hope i hold too is the OL coaches REEEEAAALLY wanted him. given the last two years of injuries, they have been wizards. 

 

scott- average starter, good backup, can play L/R and even some RT if needed. hes cheap

 

silatolu- ugh i have kugzilla feelings here too. the injuries do not help. i dont see him as a 2015 panthers and it wouldnt shock me if got IR'd again or cut before that.

 

OT/OL

 

bell- huddles fav whipping boy. to me hes average and been a steal given his salary over the last three years. saved the panthers form otah quitting. i know they tried him out at LT last year, hes good insurance if either tackle spot isnt filled.

 

chandler- wild card out the bunch. maybe the best current LT. great athlete, could be starting anywhere but C

 

bond- another dave freebie get. big size, can play G too. development type at a cheap salary.

 

williams- another wild card thats snake bit. like chandler in many ways. he could be starting LT,LG,RG,RT come week one.

 

 

thats 9 OLmen, a number most teams carry. is it talented enough? well its doesnt look like it, but young players either get better or get cut. too many ifs, but its possible a few gotten better. joe kenn aka house just won pro strength coach of year, he should be able to help these blobs of clay. 

 

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cam- in my opinion, he better practice on hand offs. its looking like the panthers have a plan to use the billion dollars backfield and run more this year, again the the book hasnt been written, so just a guess give the current out look. shula impressed me last year, but i didnt have high hopes.