McNabb weighs in on our lack of a threat at WR (via D. Newton)

[Mr. Scot]

They have a legitimate run game, we don't. And although our defense is very good, it ain't Seattle.

 

The Panthers defense gave up 241 points last season.  The Seahawks gave up 231.

 

Oh yeah.  Huge difference there.

 

And if all you need is a legit run game, why are we so worried about our receiving corps?

 

[AceBoogie]

Lol no he isn't.

You think our run defense goes from being in the 20s to 2nd?

How about how Hardy exploded with Star next to him or Kuechly winning DPOTY.

And our run defense was ranked 14h the year before Star not the 20s, it wasn't as bad as everyone made it out to be. The Ravens, who won the Super Bowl that year was ranked 20th.

[AceBoogie]

The Panthers defense gave up 241 points last season. The Seahawks gave up 231.

Oh yeah. Huge difference there.

And if all you need is a legit run game, why are we so worried about our receiving corps?

Maybe because we have Cam who is capable of a high powered offense. Russel Wilson has a lot of game manager in him. I want to maximize the talent of Cam Newton that's all. If we had Jimmy at qb, Id say fug a wr build that D and run the football. Not giving Cam weapons is limiting his potential, and it's going to piss me off when we pay him 100 million while not even getting the best out of him.

[AceBoogie]

The Panthers defense gave up 241 points last season. The Seahawks gave up 231.

Oh yeah. Huge difference there.

And if all you need is a legit run game, why are we so worried about our receiving corps?

And we also gave up almost 500 more yards. Our defense was a lot of bend, but don't break last year.

[Thal]

It's the Achilles heel of all those super talented QBs, teams refuse to build around them. Cam will suffer from the same thing McNabb went through. Cam need to find his way outta carolina to have a HOF career and that's unfortunate. The talking heads are starting to talk; I see cam doing his LeBron thing and walk.

[top dawg]

As someone else pointed out, Brady has a 'big play threat', just not at receiver.  He actually had two such threats before Hernandez' stupidity caught up with him (no one knew just how big a threat he really was).

 

Golden Tate is not somebody I'd be afraid of as an opponent.

 

And I'm pretty sure the Panthers are looking at adding receiving help too.

 

True, but TEs are not supposed to be your "top dog", they are role players who create a natural mismatch if schemed properly.  Brady's greatest season was with Moss. 

 

As for Tate, the proof will be in the pudding.

 

Never said the Panthers weren't looking for a receiver. I just want them to look harder than they have for going on a decade now, or at least get better results. It is my contention that G-man just has to put his mind to it. 

[BlackCnqstdr]

The thread title says "lack of threat at WR" and that's the discussion.

 

Pretty much everybody acknowledges that Olsen is a threat.  He may not be Gronkowski (though I'd point out he's more likely to stay healthy than Gronkowski) but he's a legit threat.  What everyone is whining about is our wide receiver corps.

 

And no, I don't worry that much about those guys.  The offenses they play in are effective, but these guys are far from gamebreakers.  If you wanna go by stats, then Harry Douglas, Julian Edelman and Kendall Wright were all better receivers than Larry Fitzgerland last year.  Do you think that's a defendable assertion?

 

While we're at it, how effective would you find an offense where the top receiving threat gained less than 900 yards and only scored 5 touchdowns on the season?  Does that sound like an offense to be afraid of?

 

 

I don't need to defend it because at no point did I say they were "better receivers than Larry Fitzgerald" or elite or anything of that nature.  I said they're big time threats in the passing game.  What's your definition of a gamebreaker? Nelson and Brown both had multiple 100 yard games, both had a game where they went over 150, both had games where they scored more than one TD, both had top level production over the course of the season.

 

Yes it is if it scores 26 points a game and has a great running back.

[El Chingon]

McNabb is a funny guy.

[panthers55]

Y'all said the same thing about my whining last preseason about how the offense sucked then guess what happened?, and it's worse off now than at this point last year.

Last year wasn't the problem that you and others assert based on a total yard ranking.  Our offense was efficient perhaps conservative but able to move the ball when the game was on the line. The difference between the  26th ranked Panthers (316) and the 18th ranked Seahawks (339) was  23 yards a game.  What we lacked was consistent scoring and the ability to dictate to defenses instead of being dominated by them on offense. We only mustered 22 points a game while top offenses were scoring 26-27 points a game.  

 

The only reason we won as many games as we did was point differential giving up only 15.1 and 301 in total yards per game. So the question remains do you keep the same guys or blow it up and try to put together a group that will be good this year and for the next 5 to 10 years. Gettleman elected to blow it up and put together a new bunch with hopes he could do as well on offense this year as he did on the defensive side last year. I don't know whether he is following a plan or scrambling as hard as he can after everyone scattered for more money elsewhere.  In either case I am hopeful that he pulls it off and has the eye for talent that everyone claims he has.  After all there will be plenty of time for recriminations in the fall if we really do struggle that for now, at least, I am fine with seeing how the plan unfolds.  Giving Gettleman time to pull his bacon out of the fire this year. You know the draft will be heavy on the offensive side, Good thing the draft is so talent laden.  A great chance for us to build some depth and find a few starters.  

[top dawg]

Yeah, it's not like last year's wide receiving corps lit the world on fire, so the bar isn't that high.  

 

I'm more concerned with the play calling. The personnel should be there.  I am not going to accept anything with a smile but improvement out of our WRs, rookies and all.

 

 

No excuses! G-man, Rivera, Shula and Proehl just need to be on one accord and get positive results.

[Thal]

Show me one season the eagles put the #2 defense behind Mcnabb who was hardly super talented...

What exactly did they accomplish with that? And, McNabb wasn't exactly a scrub either. This is a terribly ran franchise.

[Thal]

If this were July then this might be a legitimate concern. Who says we are done? If we pick up 2 receivers in the first 4 rounds then have we addressed the position or not? Are we better off or not? I understand the discussion about Smith but lets be honest, people are talking about the Smith in his prime not the one last year. We are talking about replacing roughly 700 yards now if you take what we lost and include what Cotchery and Underwood contributed. That ignores any of the other guys like King and McNutt.

I can definitely see a concern if we don't do more but I am confident that we will.

Only little problem is, we're picking 28. Hard to find 2 legitimate starters at wr in one draft. At most you'll get a starter and some projects like LAfell. WRs are hard to pan out.

[Thal]

The good thing about this is there is a voice for guys like Cam, unlike Mcnabb who didn't have anyone to talk for him when he was playing. Now the whole league knows the panthers organization is doing nothing to support its franchise player.

[Gin and Juice]

Has he got the Skins to the SB yet?