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I don’t know how we can ‘know’ either way, we can only speculate what was going on in the family. I think it is clear it wasn’t his choice to leave that team and have to go elsewhere. Also that the family would be excited to go Home. I guess I just don’t give enough of a poo to make a big deal of it, like to impugn the FO over it or whatever other repercussions it has. I don’t really have a problem with the cap savings or the trade compensation.

Make him and his team look even worse

Yeah, he just doesn't look to have the physical makeup of a dominant NFL DL. How is that other Michigan DT looking? Because honestly when I went to go look at Graham it was the other guy who kept jumping out to me. I think Graham benefitted greatly from playing beside another legit high level NFL prospect and being able to routinely go up against single team blocks in college (a rarity for a top 10 NFL pick prospect) really helped him shine.

I hate to tell you, but injured players fielding questions from the media as they recover is just part of the job as an NFL player. And he didn't seem to be "convalescing". He seemed to be confused and/or frustrated about how the situation whatever "the situation" may be is being handled.

When has everything been absolutely perfect around him? Can't seem to remember that game.

The man can't even convalesce in peace.

For one. That wasn't even in reference to you. For two. I have no idea what you are trying to do here portraying yourself as someone others are scared of which is strange but okay. We're probably the same age. You can get in your feelings and lodge personal attacks all you want. People see you. I already quoted you in a different thread and linked the two threads you've created in the last two years declaring Bryce Young a bust. It is beyond comical that you attempt to put up this facade like you are the only rational voice on Bryce Young. You've engaged in as much foolishness as anyone else on the huddle. Don't twist an ankle getting down off your high horse my friend. I hope you have a great day.

So glad they didn't draft Mason Graham. And they would have if he'd fallen to us - over TMac too. That kid just ain't a top 10 pick. He'll be ok by year 3, but he'll never be a Derrick Brown.

#BringBackDJMoore

Grown man using TikTok. Embarrassing

I actually think he'd be a great change of pace back to Chuba and Dowdle. But they rarely give him run on the offense. Dude had one attempted punt return in college. One. And I don't think he'd returned a kickoff since his sophomore year. That's not a guy you pick in the 4th to primarily be a returner. Not when your safeties, ILB, Edge and WRs were bottom of the league and you already had a RB room predicted to be one of the best in the NFL. Just another WTF moment to me.

Bryce has expectations the same as Legette. Except Legette does not distribute the ball. Bryce Young was sold as an elite ball distributor. At some point we need to see him elevate the moving parts around him as a first overall pick. Instead of him needing everything to go absolutely perfect around him just to be a serviceable starter.

Thielen just needs more time to learn the offense. By year 3 we should really see things light up.

I simply do not view Thielen at this point as a needle mover. If you or anyone else disagrees that's fine. That's what this place is for. As far as former Panthers go I can agree we like most other fanbases tend to change our perception. But Luvu is still in his prime. Thielen is not. Again though. It's fine to disagree. He isn't here anymore so it is all just fodder anyways.

Like when is the Huddle (collectively) gonna acknowledge that? I want BY to succeed because he's Carolina's QB, but I am NOT a BY supporter (in a vacuum). I didn't even want them to move up for a QB in 2023. I knew the team wasn't ready for a rookie QB, and that was with DJ Moore. Roger, he played at Alabama with really good college talent. But the level of his college WRs compared to every WR this team has marched out there not named TMac is ridiculously sad! He had about 4 WRs from college that would be the #1 WR since coming to Carolina. Adam Thielen is your best option?! WTAF! And you're digging on the kid because he isn't putting up numbers? Just doesn't make sense to me. And coming into this season saying he had no excuses? That didn't age well. Not one bit.

The Etienne pick sort of made sense in that RB is a position where you can often find value in the mid to late rounds and we needed some juice at returner so draft a guy who should be able to immediately contribute in the latter while developing behind proven vets in the former. Then he goes out there and looks like a guy who has never seen a punt in his life. Oh wee mayne.

Im keeping an eye on Athan Kaliakmanis as well as others mentioned in this thread. Mateer Mendoza Nuss Beck Moore

I’ve been giving a lot of thought to the players whose fathers played pro sports. It seems like the more mid-tier the dad was the better the son is and vice versa. I’d love to see some data on that tho to back up my suspicions.

There's just zero reason for taking a non-QB project player in the 1st round. Just landing serviceable players would greatly improve the roster. But we continue to pass it up for fools gold every year.

Yeah, they still seem to have WTF moments in drafts. Brooks and Legette in 2024 were legit WTF moments, particularly with who was still on the board for both of those picks. Now granted there was only one real WTF moment in 2025 in my opinion with Etienne. But there were legit playmaking safeties and WRs still on the board and they picked a guy that would be 3rd on the depth chart at a position of strength. I would argue a LB, Safety, Edge or WR would have made more sense than Etienne. And then they don't even give him carries.

You are probably correct, but it comes with the territory of being an NFL player paid millions of dollars. He could have done himself a lot of favors by taking a bit more mature approach in the offseason. I still hope he ends up being a good player

This was my reading on the situation, too. Thielen was happy to be here. But, if he can partially help his current team (trade value), and return home for his last hurrah, why not? I did not feel like he forced his way out of here last minute...

There was a time where 2024 looked promising, too. The brief period where XL looked like he could be salvaged, Brooks was back from injury and looking decent, JT was vaulting defenders...

I don't understand why this whole thing is so tough to understand, it's very simple. Neither Thielen nor his wife wanted out of Carolina, it's why he signed the new deal to come back here this year. The Vikings had WR injury issues in camp, when that happened they then needed a WR and reached out to us to try and get Thielen. Once that happened, it changed everything, because it was an opportunity for a player who lived his whole life in that state, to go home for his final NFL season. Once that was on the table, yea, of course he's going to then "request a trade", but what people don't seem to grasp, is that Thielen didn't just come out and ask Morgan to trade him. It ONLY happened because the Vikings became WR desperate in the weeks leading into the season, but I'm a million percent convinced if they didn't, we'd never have considered trading him and he wouldn't have asked for one. It was a very unique situation that arose because of another team's needs, not Thielen's doing, and it was ONLY happening with that one team, no others would have made us want to trade him, especially for a bag of peanuts. Now, had we still looked this bad to start the year, I think he'd have been traded to a contender at the deadline to just get something for him, but that then would have been a different and smart move at that time.