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We have more tyan ine problem. Reality isnt binary.

Dave IMO does know what he wants to be......it's the coaching tree and offense he has been part of his entire career. He can't do that And so you got a weak coach from that philosophy trying to make it without the required QB. And the QB in that offense, basically is someone that makes up and overcomes the actual offenses aren't actually good by design. To an extent is is run the ball and have your QB make some aggressive plays downfield. Dave is in no man's land. You can't run to setup the 5 yarder.

No way. People that support Bryce are entrenched and rabid. It isn’t the same level of commitment. You can be equally annoyed but those two groups are not equally invested. I have or had other valid reasons for not wanting Canales prematurely fired. We have had a revolving door of coordinators, GMs, HCs for too long and I think we are seeing the benefits of continuity in the development of some of these younger players and the draft process that acquires them. I am really not a big personal fan of Canales. I was never a fan of getting an Offensive minded flavor of the week coach whether it was Canales or any other trendy play caller pick. I also think I understand how huge the job is and know his experience level makes it a given that there will be frequent missteps. I made a policy of way more patience than I naturally possess in the case of Morgan and Canales. But I am not riding Canales to the bottom while blaming he doesn’t have this or that. I have felt that I would like to see him get another QB before folding on him, because I wouldn’t wish Bryce on anybody. At the same time some poo is wearing thin.

Yeah, it's just not for me. The whole screaming hot takes version of sports media is just incredibly played out. It's lazy and boring and I don't know why anyone is still tuning into it.

The Rusty Rifle was never a plan B, he was a friend on the sidelines for Bryce. I also think somehow this organization was completely fooled by the end of last year and the PFF metrics etc. which is an indictment in its own right. Either way it's time to move on...

I don’t want this to turn into another Bryce Young thread so I’ll keep it about the offense as a whole and it’s a damn mess. It was even uglier with Dalton behind center To have this many mental errors this far into the season falls on coaching. We as a team lack consistency because our HC/play calling has zero consistency himself

This. He’s a new(er) coach and he’s got the worst QB in the league to work with. We have far less of a coaching problem than we do QB problem.

Here is my take on why I can't pick good QBs in the draft--it is all about the timing, supporting cast, and system. If we bring in "damaged goods" like Howell or Levis, for example, give him a running game. IMO, we are solid at RB (assuming Brooks and Entienne step up). Not sure about these guys, but Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Daniel Jones (I wanted us to go after him, fwiw), and Sam Darnold. If you think about it, that means that 15.6% of the starting QBs in the league are former "busts." We could find the right player and draft a player and we'd be better off than we are now. I think we need the following: a #2 WR. I think TMac is solid and Coker is a great slot. XL can be a situational WR creating a tough coverage matchup (S or nickel), and Horn does what he does. a playmaking, elite TE. Not only does it give the D another threat. We also need to break ties with at least one of our overpaid guards. Frankly, #74, Curhan (27), needs a contract for 2026, but a deal in the $4m range is a lot better than Hunt's $100m for 4 contract. He is 27 and has shown to be a solid RG. C Mays (26) needs a team-friendly, long-term deal at C, but he needs competition. He makes about $3m per season--I would say double it for 3 years--something in the $18-$21m range. The $$$ they were going to spend on young should go to our LT, Ickey. So this is a rough plan to improve the offense and locking down players at TE, WR, OL, and RB for the next few years. We need an Alpha. Remember the '85 Bears? McMahon was not that good--he had a good defense, great RB, good WRs, a stud OL....and he was an Alpha. Baker is an Alpha. We did not have the parts around him. He sucked and is not succeeding with better support. Canales knows this--saw it first hand.

Tremble is supposed to take Brown along the goal line. https://x.com/coach_yac/status/1993356695016493333?s=46&t=W75E23VenL1ei42iX22E5g Brown himself said “they didn’t threaten the flats” so he was able to jump it

Yes. Good point on the timid I didn't focus on it as Canales should know by now Young goes into his shell ill tell you honestly, i saw how young looked in the tunnel coming out with the team without his helmet on he looked scared shitless he played scared shitless one podcaster looking at the all 22 film said Young was thoroughly confused by Salah’s use of Mustafa and basically became paralyzed .. similar to what happened in 2023 with Bates in Atlanta Salah as DC greater than Canales as Oc

I think Canales knows what identity he wants for the team (I think), it's just that he is hamstrung by Bryce. He won't make the tough decision to ditch Bryce, likely due to higher-ups. Bryce has been on thin ice in my damned mind for two years. Every season, the question of axing him by the trade deadline looms large (again, in my mind). There is absolutely no way we should've come into this season without a plan B (and I'm not talking the Red Rifle). Canales should've been banging the table for a plan B. I mean, it's just his job on the line.

People will still blame Dave Canales knowing we have the worst QB in the league.

I loved Cam Newton the Carolina Panther. He is my Carolina GOAT w/ Luke. In fact, I loved the version that was the most heavily criticized version of him. The dude that pouted. Towel on the head. That hated to lose. I always thought all that was actually a great thing for us. We needed that injected into the franchise. Cam for me sort of is like Jake Delhomme. The versions at the end were very much different than the versions at the start. I got little interest in the Cam Newton of today trying to make as online/TV personality. I don't care for that guy.

Haven't you heard? UNC is the 33rd NFL team nowadays.

Trading McCaffrey did nothing to help the Panthers get better. Not only is he a great player, but he was a leader in the locker room and a great fan favorite. Of course the Panthers squandered the draft picks. I would add DJ Moore to the list as well. What a stupid decision to trade him. There has been so little talent on this team over the past five years that letting their best players go always seemed stupid to me. I would add Burns to that list as well. Getting a 2nd for Burns did not make the Panthers better because they still have to replace him. Losing Luvu and getting outbid for him was stupid too. Not keeping Reddick, and Chinn were also mistakes. They’ve had some good players over the past five years, but they’ve just let them go

Honestly, it's supremely American. Hand picked employee loved by the owner getting every opportunity while the other employees struggle to make up for his mistakes? Sounds right.

We have a Bryce Young problem and until it's resolved it's extremely hard to judge our coaching in any significant way. Canales has made mistakes, as any coach will, but he's also called plays that with even moderately average QB play would result in positive outcomes. Canales' biggest "mistake" is trusting Bryce at all, but then, maybe he's just ensuring he has a new QB to work with next year. We aren't the only team where players run the wrong routes, we just are one of a couple with a bottom 30 QB.

I thought that too Ie trying to prove ‘look, he cant do it under the lights on the big stage’ honestly, im Not sure he is that bright then again, how many coaches and offenses have to fail to prop up young before this ends i blame both canales and young for that defensive carnage Monday night Both of them …and ill say too, if part of the problem is after 12 games into the season, the receivers are still too deep in their routes then either new receivers are needed Or new coaching or the routes are failures or the qb or all 4 they have had preseason, mini camps, training camp, practice and the season their coach was a receivers coach and now the OC and they still cant consistently complete a pass not a good look he has business being the OC and HC he isnt McVay and he isnt Reid

That would’ve been even funnier and really summed up the night given it would’ve been an illegal forward pass. Bryce is clearly throwing the ball forward to Chuba

Can’t disagree. Anointed. Hated it then, would hate it again. Entitlement type of crap and honestly it is unAmerican lol. There is a lot gained when you and others know you have earned your way. Respect from self and from from coworkers comes with that.

Sorry. Wrong route or not, that int is on Bryce 100%. He had a ride open run to the end zone. Elite processing says follow your blocker to the corner for an easy walk in TD. Situational awareness.

Him and Morgan get praise when earned but excused when they earn blame. At least he isn't Rhule or an already mentally retired Reich I guess

I guarantee that was part of the pitch when they drafted him. Guaranteed starter from day 1 his entire rookie contract. Judging by the QB room and how they've played it so far, they're holding up their end of the bargain.

Pretty much this. Love Cam but he needs to take a look in the mirror and realize he's becoming what he despised as a player.

I thought I saw Chuba pause slightly, as if he was going to throw to Sanders, but maybe the DBs already had the play diagnosed and blew it up.